basically the fatty wanted your number and you didnt play ball. so next time get her your key and just wait it out till shes done with it
im sure that was her trying to seduce you with her uniform powers.She was very aggressive in taking my address (probably the stalking type)
A Caution is usually just a warning ..no action is taken, but it's logged for future reference! but since you refused to accept it, it may end up in court, unless they decided to just leave it.
The single yellow just means there are parking restrictions during certain hours of the day\night.
If Police stop you're car for ANY reason, they're supposed to give you a stop form - maybe thats what you refused to sign - with details of the reason for the stop (even if they've made it up) & their warrant number... So you can make a complaint if you feel you've been treated unfairly or are being harassed. If they don't offer one, ASK for one! They hate issuing them.
Tip: Don't argue points of law with the Police unless you're sure, or they'll tie you in knots! & stop watching those "reality" Police program's... The only reason kids get away with back chatting those Cops is because of the presence the camera crew to witness to the events... the reality is, you'd get a kicking.
Ok what happened was. I was on a narrow road and ahead of me Police Car. So I drive behind them and waited like a minute or so and then horned at them to let them know theres a car behind them.
So now they put their red lights up. So i thought Ok, Ill overtake you. Then after 10 seconds what I did was look behind me and then check my side mirrors and then looked ahead to check theres no pedestrian and slowly crept up the pavement on my left whilst overtaking them. After I did so 10 seconds later they flashed their blue lights at me to pull me over.
Now before they tell me anything the young chubby police woman shouts at me to come out. Im thinking what have I done. She tried to rip my keys out of the ignition but funny thing was only my key blade was in the ignition so she was furious (literally with steam coming out of her). Thereafter I come out because I was stunned as I didnt have a clue why I got pulled over.
So now they were shouting at me that apparently I did dangerous driving and I shouldnt have got on the pavement. I rightly go to them I have a driving license which means im qualifed to drive therefore I saw that it was safe to get on the pavement and drive so accordingly. Then they try to say ive commited insurance fraud because my logbook is under my business and my license and insurance under my house.
Then they try to make me sign everything I said which I said No to and warned me the danger for not signing their book. At that moment I thought to myself they are trying to do me for everything they find and decided not to say anything and sign nothing because I dont even agree to anything they are insuating.
Thereafter their backup assistance came and literally searched my car only to find nada.
The chubby woman officer goes to me because I didnt open my door and come out straight away she had the right to break my windows and I had to caugh up for the repairs which started to ring alarm bells.
Is that even true?
Now im worried that they are trying to take my license by taking me to court.
Should I worry about this?
All depends on what the custody Sgt said as all their occurrences go through him/her for action at COP.
What were you told would happen next. Did they caution you. ie... Say you do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence... etc etc? you had no paperwork right?To sign their pocket signbook
Right if that's the case then it sounds like you have been reported for offences. If that is the case then the officers will have submitted paperwork to a department and that department will send you a letter. It is for the officers to report the incident and not to ultimately make the decision about what the outcome will be. If it is for the offence of driving on the pavement I wouldn't worry to much about it. Its a relatively minor offence. If its for the offence of dangerous driving it would have to be the case that your driving 'fell far below that of a competent driver'
The next thing for you to do is wait for the letter. It normally reaches the recipient within 2 weeks. You may even be offered to go on a driving improvement scheme. With respect this may be a good idea.
If I were you I'd take this all as a big learning point.
1. Don't beep at the Police. You don't know what they are doing at the time and quite a lot of their time is spent dealing with serious stuff. There are better ways as some of the other guys have mentioned. Politely ask a question.
2. Don't drive on the pavement. Pavements are for pedestrians and its illegal for the simple reason that people get knocked over.
3. Be civil to the Police, it sounds like you were quite awkward and answered back. Most of the Police are there to make the world a better place.
4. If you don't understand what is going on... ask.
5. get a copy of the highway code. Knowledge is power. Not to get one over on the Police but to be a better driver.
Its hard to comment when I wasn't there but I hope that helps.
No need to apologise to me - it's a forum of opinions.Sorry Artimus that's not correct. The Police can stop any vehicle to check that the driver has the correct documents. Ie driving licence, insurance, tax, Mot and that the vehicle belonged to them or they had permission You wouldn't get a form for this. The only time you would get any paperwork is if you or the vehicle was searched, you were issued a fixed penalty, reported for an offence or your vehicle was confiscated for you not having a driving licence or insurance (S165 RTA)
Yolo,
I don't know where you are getting your information from, I suspect you have been listening to some friends, who have been listening to friends.
I have had more complaints than you could shake a stick at!! At one time, I had 9 on the go at the same time. Most are treated as a "tactical complaint", which is how this complaint would be treated- (he is making a complaint to muddy the waters in the event of a court case)
In the event of a complaint being made, the officers will be interviewed by the Professional Standars Dept, where they will no doubt say that they don't know what the guy is complaining about, and the investigators will interview the complainant. There are no independant witnesses, and the complaint will be unfounded. It really is no skin off their nose if he does make a complaint.
It will go on their file, but it won't ever be used against them, since in this case, it will be unfounded.
I understand I did couple of things wrong however if you drive by this road everyday youll see that when an on coming car is coming you have no choice but to get on the pavement due to it being very narrow. Also the pavement in question is a dropped which also happens to give access to other peoples drive.
This road also happens to have a bend with cars parked so making is blind for either party to see therefore you have no choice, but to get on it. It also happens to have single yellow however cars are still parked regardless of parking restriction. This is probably because it happens to be on an estate.
As for beeping the police - I didnt do it to p them off as others may think and it wasnt a long one either. Just a quicky.
If Police tries to get you out of your car by pulling hard on your door handle and trying to reach for your keys without even knocking and telling you to come out, would you co-operate?
Hence I refused.
Ive been pulled over twice before and never did they treat me like that.
There are lots of ifs and buts when driving I think most would agree and I don't think what you did was much different to what most people would do. Your horn is meant to be a warning tool, of your presence, maybe your not supposed to use it at night (had forgotten about that) but isn't the highway code 'advice for drivers= and Not the law? So what they (VOSA, Goverment) are giving you is guidance which can't possibly take into account every eventuallity. I do remember not being allowed to bump the kerb on 3 point turns when learning but I did think it would ahve been OK to do what you did as there is also something about keeping up the flow of traffic and as you said you did it carefully with no pedestrians present, at a time of low risk and when the road was otherwise obstructed, I think if it came to court you could argue a good case. All those lorries that park on the pavement for deliveries, somtimes just 2 wheels but sometimes all four, taxis also have a habit of parking on pavements, they get criticised for breaking paving slabs but I don't see them getting carted off by a swat team, not is Scotland anyway
im not going to blind you with science, but your not obliged to give your name unless you have commuted a crime, when RT Policy enforcers try to frighten you with big words, you simply ask them if they are on there Oath Constable, when they say they are then ask them if your under arrest or are you free to go, stand your grounds and never surrender that card they made you get to act in commerce,
have to stop you there! It's not a legal requirement in England to carry your driving documents or any other form of I.D. as it is in some other Countries. So you Do Not have to give over your driving documents when requested by a Police Officer, as you may not have them with you....It is also an offence not to give a Police officer your driving documents upon request.
So if you are stopped by the Police and you are the driver you have to give them your driving licence or your name etc...
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