RS4 on the configurator

[Addict]

I battled with this also.. and then just took the life’s too short approach.. although admittedly not that short to stretch to a 2.5k paint job


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[NickGun]

Looking through this thread is not good......busy trying to see how I can justify the asking price of a Nogaro RS4! What a beautiful car.

Quite, having had a nosey round a Sonoma Green RS5 yesterday in Leeds Audi I'm now looking at this on the configurator (and have been very stingy on options) while trying to think how I can convince my better half that this would be a sensible replacement for our B9 3.0TDi Quattro Avant when its lease is up....

 

[SPIKE_]

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Quite, having had a nosey round a Sonoma Green RS5 yesterday in Leeds Audi I'm now looking at this on the configurator (and have been very stingy on options) while trying to think how I can convince my better half that this would be a sensible replacement for our B9 3.0TDi Quattro Avant when its lease is up....

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Haha....I think we’re all the same when it comes to making sense on our car purchases!

That is a nice colour - certainly haven’t seen it before.

 

[NickGun]

Haha....I think we’re all the same when it comes to making sense on our car purchases!

That is a nice colour - certainly haven’t seen it before.

Yep I really don't fancy my chances of trying to justify to her the extra £23k over our current B9.... Hope springs eternal.
More Sonoma Green pics below (on an RS6) is a great colour in the flesh, but then we're definitely biased on Green.

 

[SPIKE_]

Yep I really don't fancy my chances of trying to justify to her the extra £23k over our current B9.... Hope springs eternal.
More Sonoma Green pics below (on an RS6) is a great colour in the flesh, but then we're definitely biased on Green.

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If only Audi offered the same 2.9% finance deal that they offer on the regular A4 range, then you could make a great case for an RS4 purchase.

 

[Thundercliffe81]

If only Audi offered the same 2.9% finance deal that they offer on the regular A4 range, then you could make a great case for an RS4 purchase.

Agreed. What's it at now? 4 something?


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[SPIKE_]

All RS cars are at 6.1% with the exception of the RS6 & 7 that are at 4.9%.

With the high prices of performance cars nowadays, I think it just makes them more unattainable to purchase with high rate finance deals.

 

[Keef]

What we need is a deal like they did originally on the B8.5 RS4, the Q1 finance contribution was £6k I think and I'm sure it was at 2.9%.....if only

 

[Thundercliffe81]

All RS cars are at 6.1% with the exception of the RS6 & 7 that are at 4.9%.

With the high prices of performance cars nowadays, I think it just makes them more unattainable to purchase with high rate finance deals.

6.1?! That won't last forever as @DeanoC says. Aimed at everybody wanting to be 'first'. Heck, if you've got the money, it doesn't matter anyway. But still. Wait it out I think.


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[Thundercliffe81]

What we need is a deal like they did originally on the B8.5 RS4, the Q1 finance contribution was £6k I think and I'm sure it was at 2.9%.....if only

God if that car and that deal existed now as new, I'd be up it like a rat up a drainpipe!


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[Keef]

I'd be right with you

 

[DeanoC]

6.1?! That won't last forever as @DeanoC says. Aimed at everybody wanting to be 'first'. Heck, if you've got the money, it doesn't matter anyway. But still. Wait it out I think.


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I paid 3.4% on the bit of the used RS4 i financed at Audi. They started at like 7% odd with vwfs and then changed to black rock

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[Terminator x]

I took an RS5 out on Thursday for a play around and get a feel for the engine.. despite everything said on here so far around the costs and engine sound, it’s great fun to drive and the torque and pull on your stomach is amazing. But as said earlier, the RS4 is the true RS.. Can’t wait to get mine now!


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How did it sound though, seriously? Big part of the experience imho.

TX.

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[Addict]

How did it sound though, seriously? Big part of the experience imho.

TX.

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I agree, and whilst it’s clearly no V8.. Tbh.. driving it, it sounded wonderful!


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[Thundercliffe81]

Well. It's a nice colour...Not what ya should be saying about an RS car. Haha. Enjoy.




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[DeanoC]

I took out a 981 Cayman S yesterday! OMG - sold.

I can get a 2015 one with all the bits I want for 45k and keep my C7 which is 20k so overall both are less than the standard OTR of the RS4 and both do the different jobs better!

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[NickGun]

I took out a 981 Cayman S yesterday! OMG - sold.

I can get a 2015 one with all the bits I want for 45k and keep my C7 which is 20k so overall both are less than the standard OTR of the RS4 and both do the different jobs better!

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Agree totally that running 2 very different cars is a great idea, it's not practical for everybody though - we have a much lower spec second car than a Cayman S as a 2seater (MX-5) but it never fails to put a smile on your face the minute you drive it after the newer B9 Avant, nothing like as fast or capable but much more analogue and immediate.

Great choice with the Cayman S, I'm toying with going for a Boxster S to replace the MX-5 at some point too.

 

[RGBARGEE]

Mine’s already ordered as of a few weeks ago as the dealer configurator has been available for a while. But nice to be able to have a play and see what you’re getting! I’ve gone Mythos, Anthacite 20s, comfort and sound pack, pano, black pack and red callipers and sports exhaust. Awaiting build week but should be Jan/Feb



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Me too!!

no Red calliper a or noisy exhaust (yet!!)


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[JG220]

Love the green.
Don't really get what the rs4 offers over the s4 if i'm honest. They even sound the same.

 

[RGBARGEE]

Love the green.
Don't really get what the rs4 offers over the s4 if i'm honest. They even sound the same.

RS all the way, quicker, better handling. You could make the same argument over a TFSI S line versus S4.. Is it coincidence that you have an S4?

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[Riko0073]

Love the green.
Don't really get what the rs4 offers over the s4 if i'm honest. They even sound the same.

Yeah I sort of agree, that sound on the videos does not sound great compared with what you come to expect from an RS model at that price point!

I love the flared arches but the S4 Avant is such a great blend of practicality, luxury and performance in a subtle but sporty package I really can't see myself spending best part of £20k+ on the RS.

Loving the S4 and can't see me wanting much more than this already offers but never say never and thought that about my S3 saloon!

 

[Addict]

Love the green.
Don't really get what the rs4 offers over the s4 if i'm honest. They even sound the same.

I have an 2017 S5 at the moment, which is obviously the same as the S4 engine. Having took the RS5 out for a few hours last Thursday, I can assure you that they dont drive or sound the same! That said, it clearly isnt the same rumble as the old V8 (I wish it was, but it's never going to be).

 

[RGBARGEE]

All RS cars are at 6.1% with the exception of the RS6 & 7 that are at 4.9%.

With the high prices of performance cars nowadays, I think it just makes them more unattainable to purchase with high rate finance deals.

BMW just dropped APR to just over 3% on M4.. Come on Audi!!

 

[DeanoC]

I have an 2017 S5 at the moment, which is obviously the same as the S4 engine. Having took the RS5 out for a few hours last Thursday, I can assure you that they dont drive or sound the same! That said, it clearly isnt the same rumble as the old V8 (I wish it was, but it's never going to be).

I've driven the S4 saloon and RS5 And Actually thought the S4 sounded better on acceleration (not on the farts). I'm not sure if the RS had sports exhaust though

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[Riko0073]

I have an 2017 S5 at the moment, which is obviously the same as the S4 engine. Having took the RS5 out for a few hours last Thursday, I can assure you that they dont drive or sound the same! That said, it clearly isnt the same rumble as the old V8 (I wish it was, but it's never going to be).

Yeah I'm sure it's a further step up from the S models and I'm sure I'll change my mind when I get obliterated by one out on the road : )

 

[Daggerit]

RS all the way, quicker, better handling. You could make the same argument over a TFSI S line versus S4.. Is it coincidence that you have an S4?

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Not sure it's even nearly the same comparison to be honest. A4 versus S4 you get all sorts of extra stuff - V6 petrol engine and the power that come along with it, the noise, seats, brakes, styling at the rear, wheels, inlays, key inlays, standard higher tech, etc.

In my mind the only difference I can see from S4 to RS4 is some wider arches, slightly more power and a different stitch on the seats...

 

[RGBARGEE]

Not sure it's even nearly the same comparison to be honest. A4 versus S4 you get all sorts of extra stuff - V6 petrol engine and the power that come along with it, the noise, seats, brakes, styling at the rear, wheels, inlays, key inlays, standard higher tech, etc.

In my mind the only difference I can see from S4 to RS4 is some wider arches, slightly more power and a different stitch on the seats...

Nearly 100 more PS, more torque, lots of other stuff too. Frankly having moved one of our cars from S3 to RS3 the difference is immense and many more smiles per hour too! The petrol 252 A5 - S5 is a similar increase in performance and all you get 'quote' is , the noise, seats, brakes, styling at the rear, wheels, inlays, key inlays, standard higher tech, etc. Think we all may as well cancel our orders and go for a new Polo!

 

[Thundercliffe81]

Not sure it's even nearly the same comparison to be honest. A4 versus S4 you get all sorts of extra stuff - V6 petrol engine and the power that come along with it, the noise, seats, brakes, styling at the rear, wheels, inlays, key inlays, standard higher tech, etc.

In my mind the only difference I can see from S4 to RS4 is some wider arches, slightly more power and a different stitch on the seats...

I agree. Look, everyone here can agree that, on paper, the RS4 is a better car than S4. Handling will be much better, far faster with that extra torque etc. Looks wise, I love it. But I think it was Terminator X that eluded to it...the sound. I know folk are saying it's much better. Seen one go past me yesterday and...it's not amazing.

Sound kind of translates into the fun/x factor for a car of this stature. I swear with my valves unplugged, my S4 sounds better. Sound for me is probably one of the biggest factors as it brings the smiles. Simply going fast loses its novelty after a time for me. Not sure how you all feel. It's got a smaller engine than S4 haha. Different strokes for different folks and we're all gonna want one in the end. I just think the M3 with sports exhaust sounds infinitely better than the 340i. We can't say that about the RS4/5 over the S4/5. Anyway. Somebody get Nogaro!


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[JG220]

@RGBARGEE You're right of course, you get more power and torque and stuff, but it's already a compromised package. Just adding more doesn't really change the fact that its a heavy estate.

The point being made here is that you can you a new s4 and then buy a less compromised car for real fun with the remaining £20k

The problem is that it doesn't have the killer feature to temp me (not you, i get that) to spend the extra. A v8 for example...

 

[Daggerit]

@RGBARGEE You're right of course, you get more power and torque and stuff, but it's already a compromised package. Just adding more doesn't really change the fact that its a heavy estate.

The point being made here is that you can you a new s4 and then buy a less compromised car for real fun with the remaining £20k (i went with V6 Exige breaking the budget a bit, but you get the point).

The problem is that it doesn't have the killer feature to temp me (not you, i get that) to spend the extra. A v8 for example...

Exactly what I'm getting at. I'm just saying that I don't think they've done enough this time to make people buy the RS over the S given the price difference. You can pick up a tuning box that'll make the S4 fast enough to keep up with an RS on any normal roads and I doubt that without paying for the optional suspension the RS will be that much better handling to be honest because as you've said, it's still a big estate.

If money was no option then of course I'd buy the RS (actually I'd go for an RS6 if money was no option...), but for any sane person spending their own money the S4 is the smarter choice, surely.

 

[Thundercliffe81]

@RGBARGEE You're right of course, you get more power and torque and stuff, but it's already a compromised package. Just adding more doesn't really change the fact that its a heavy estate.

The point being made here is that you can you a new s4 and then buy a less compromised car for real fun with the remaining £20k

The problem is that it doesn't have the killer feature to temp me (not you, i get that) to spend the extra. A v8 for example...

Just looks like the competition are getting better sound with a 6 cylinder. Obviously V8 would be ideal. Even turbo V8. I think M2 sounds the best imo. For a 6.

In short, they could have done more to soften the compromise. Sound wise.

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[DeanoC]

I think everyone can agree that on the B9 S vs. RS you pay more money for less changes compared to the B8.5.

That was inevitable with their change in focus at Quattro GmbH/Audi sport.

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[DeanoC]

I think everyone can agree that on the B9 S vs. RS you pay more money for less changes compared to the B8.5.

That was inevitable with their change in focus at Quattro GmbH/Audi sport.

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And I get the S3 / RS3 debate. There is a huge difference but that is all down to that sweet as a nut 5 banger. If the RS3 had a 400bhp 4 pot it would make no sense over an S3 where the 400bhp 5 pot does. No sense on paper but just pure driving emotions - emotions are what Audi are starting to leave on the table

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[Thundercliffe81]

And I get the S3 / RS3 debate. There is a huge difference but that is all down to that sweet as a nut 5 banger. If the RS3 had a 400bhp 4 pot it would make no sense over an S3 where the 400bhp 5 pot does. No sense on paper but just pure driving emotions - emotions are what Audi are starting to leave on the table

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Didn't even think of that angle. This S4/S5 to RS4/5 element of the debate is exactly the same the S3-RS3. 'Theres' your difference. There's your USP and reason to make the jump.

Spot on


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[DeanoC]

Didn't even think of that angle. This S4/S5 to RS4/5 element of the debate is exactly the same the S3-RS3. 'Theres' your difference. There's your USP and reason to make the jump.

Spot on


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Exactly. They are trying to say the £20K USP on the RS4/RS5 is some numbers on a dyno chart, 4 fenders and a couple of oval exhaust pipes (not even integrated into the diffuser).

The S3/RS3 they are saying guys it looks pretty much the same in and out but for £10k we'll drop in a 5 pot that sounds like the devil has stood on Lego and we'll even give you some oval pipes too.

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[Thundercliffe81]

Exactly. They are trying to say the £20K USP on the RS4/RS5 is some numbers on a dyno chart, 4 fenders and a couple of oval exhaust pipes (not even integrated into the diffuser).

The S3/RS3 they are saying guys it looks pretty much the same in and out but for £10k we'll drop in a 5 pot that sounds like the devil has stood on Lego and we'll even give you some oval pipes too.

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Devil stepping on Lego...

End of discussion in my eyes. Sound/engine are my biggest wow factors in a top of the range performance variant. The 5 pot is bonkers and completely separates it from rest of range.

The RS3 ethos reminds me of the Audi of old. Just one or two bonkers elements. The PFL went past me yesterday and downshifted. F**k ME! That thing is loud. Too chavvy for me but I utterly respect it. For what it is. The statement it makes.

The V10 RS6 was an absolute brick. But it was insane. Yes, the S6 also had the V10 but the looks were drastically less pumped up and I think when we're in the V10 range...it's a moot point. A V6 needs a lot of work to sound big and racey. For me, this whole thread...I just hope it's not the start of how things are going to be from now on. With Audi. AMG are leading in this segment for engine/exhaust/thrill. That's all.


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[RGBARGEE]

Devil stepping on Lego...

End of discussion in my eyes. Sound/engine are my biggest wow factors in a top of the range performance variant. The 5 pot is bonkers and completely separates it from rest of range.

The RS3 ethos reminds me of the Audi of old. Just one or two bonkers elements. The PFL went past me yesterday and downshifted. F**k ME! That thing is loud. Too chavvy for me but I utterly respect it. For what it is. The statement it makes.

The V10 RS6 was an absolute brick. But it was insane. Yes, the S6 also had the V10 but the looks were drastically less pumped up and I think when we're in the V10 range...it's a moot point. A V6 needs a lot of work to sound big and racey. For me, this whole thread...I just hope it's not the start of how things are going to be from now on. With Audi. AMG are leading in this segment for engine/exhaust/thrill. That's all.


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AMG leading this segment, no way! I looked at the A45 before ordering RS3 in 2015, what a nasty horrible car.

Thought I had better satisfy myself that BMW and AMG had nothing to offer having decided to combine my 2 daily drivers (as per my signature) due to reducing mileage.

Borrowed a new S5 Sportback for 2 days a few months back and whilst OK, the performance was dull in comparison to RS3. I think they are actually heavier than the S4 Avant too. Before ordering RS4 I also looked at AMG products. Generally I was not impressed, actually had more fun in a borrowed Sprinter Van a couple of weeks ago. Way too bling, tacky trim, nasty interior (and exterior styling) nice sounding V8... well sorry I don't only buy a car because it has a nice sounding V8!

 

[Thundercliffe81]

AMG leading this segment, no way! I looked at the A45 before ordering RS3 in 2015, what a nasty horrible car.

Thought I had better satisfy myself that BMW and AMG had nothing to offer having decided to combine my 2 daily drivers (as per my signature) due to reducing mileage.

Borrowed a new S5 Sportback for 2 days a few months back and whilst OK, the performance was dull in comparison to RS3. I think they are actually heavier than the S4 Avant too. Before ordering RS4 I also looked at AMG products. Generally I was not impressed, actually had more fun in a borrowed Sprinter Van a couple of weeks ago. Way too bling, tacky trim, nasty interior (and exterior styling) nice sounding V8... well sorry I don't only buy a car because it has a nice sounding V8!

Haha. In no way did I mean the A45! RS3 destroys it. I meant the mid segment. And I did say the engine/exhaust only. They've nailed it. Managed to keep a V8, make it more economical than a NA one AND make it sound epic. BMW and Audi have not achieved this. Which really is a shame. As the RS6 V8 is nice.

Also, Audi interiors every day of the week. I do have a B9 S4 Avant remember But on engine and exhaust alone, they bring the fun. Mikes more than this twin turbo 2.9. Just my opinion. The RS4 will, however, leave the C63 for dead.


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[DeanoC]

AMG leading this segment, no way! I looked at the A45 before ordering RS3 in 2015, what a nasty horrible car.

Thought I had better satisfy myself that BMW and AMG had nothing to offer having decided to combine my 2 daily drivers (as per my signature) due to reducing mileage.

Borrowed a new S5 Sportback for 2 days a few months back and whilst OK, the performance was dull in comparison to RS3. I think they are actually heavier than the S4 Avant too. Before ordering RS4 I also looked at AMG products. Generally I was not impressed, actually had more fun in a borrowed Sprinter Van a couple of weeks ago. Way too bling, tacky trim, nasty interior (and exterior styling) nice sounding V8... well sorry I don't only buy a car because it has a nice sounding V8!

I'm with ya. That's why it pains me to say what I say. I have spent years explaining to all my Merc amg and BMW M owning friends how awesome RS stuff was but I'd struggle now. Although I still think it's the best of a bad bunch.

I am hopeful for the RS6 being amazing and I just hope the money gods look down on me kindly before that comes out so I can have one as a daily

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[Terminator x]

And I get the S3 / RS3 debate. There is a huge difference but that is all down to that sweet as a nut 5 banger. If the RS3 had a 400bhp 4 pot it would make no sense over an S3 where the 400bhp 5 pot does. No sense on paper but just pure driving emotions - emotions are what Audi are starting to leave on the table

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Completely agree with this, a 400hp 4 pot RS3 would never had turned my head. That engine did it for me after a single test drive! We have a S3 and RS3 on the drive and whilst the S3 is great it falls way short of the RS3 which is they way it should be imho. RS should be completely nuts whilst the S is sensible shoes. Imho Audi seem to be turning away from that philosophy as all the recent RS cars seem to have been softened up eg FL RS3, RS5 and now it seems RS4.

TX.