2.0TDi Oil Pump / Balancer shaft problems - the definitive guide! Audi VW Skoda SEAT

Make sure you avoid the BLB engine code, due to the oil balance shaft failing ! ..they all have issues however that's the worst as the engines seize up. I have changed on mine si far (B7 BLB)also EGR valve twice in 4 years , EGR cooler leaked , starter motor , fuel pump (cheap as a PD) , water pump twice , CV joints go quite regular although not bad to change due to being able to separate from gearbox and hub, Battery , Dual mass flywheel and clutch , matrix radiator, throttle valve and awaiting dor injector seals to be changed. These are unreliable and would advise to leave the 2.0 tdi alone
I was worried you gonna say that, no wonder they are so well priced, you can get a really good example for 2.5k with decent mileage. Possibly an ecuse to get the 3.0 quattro, in the smaller lighter A4 it should be able to do 40mpg on a normal run?
So this basically takes out the a4, a6, passat, older octavias and Superbs from around 2005 to early 2010. She may get a Mazda :scared2:
 
I have bought myself a Seat Leon 1.9 tdi as a runaround and this is much better by far . 2002 and 16000 miles and still running like new ! ..
 
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Is it necessary to change the oil pump itself when changing the balancer shaft and hex key, or just a good idea to do whilst the car is dismantled to that extent?
 
Good idea to replace the actual oil pump cassette , not an item that fails often though .
 
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I bought a kit from eBay for 150 from memory and a local garage fitted the new kit for around 150 .. I was lucky as it started to round off
 
I have a BRD engine code 2.0 (170) is this likely to have a problem? It’s a 2007 so I’m thinking it’s gear driven?
 
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As far as I'm aware it's only the BLB engine code which is a 2.0 tdi 140 bhp , (2005)which I have. Dont hold me to that though..maybe someone else will enlighten us ?
 
As far as I'm aware it's only the BLB engine code which is a 2.0 tdi 140 bhp , (2005)which I have. Dont hold me to that though..maybe someone else will enlighten us ?

Mine is a 2.0tdi BRE 140 bhp, '08.
Having my shaft and oil pump changed in Friday.
 
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Mine is a 2.0tdi BRE 140 bhp, '08.
Having my shaft and oil pump changed in Friday.
Who is doing the change? And if you don’t mind me asking what kind of cost? I need to get mine done once the cam belt is changed on Monday.
 
Just had my BRD done, hex key was worn at 88km. Indy garage did it in 4.5hrs
 
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Who is doing the change? And if you don’t mind me asking what kind of cost? I need to get mine done once the cam belt is changed on Monday.

KMB balance shaft was £197.75, with a deposit of £125.
Oil pump was £184.94.

I don't think it's necessary to change the oil pump, but whilst the sump is off and all the dismantling done I think it makes sense to.

And Indy garage that I've used for 20 plus years in Lincoln is doing it.
 
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The problem is I can’t afford to not have the car for weeks as they work on replacement basis. I’d rather just buy one out right and have done.
 
The problem is I can’t afford to not have the car for weeks as they work on replacement basis. I’d rather just buy one out right and have done.
That's what I did - pay the deposit and get the part delivered before sending the original back to KMB after the work is done.
 
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That's what I did - pay the deposit and get the part delivered before sending the original back to KMB after the work is done.

Same here Mike.
It's a hefty deposit, and postage was £11 so I might try and return personally when I'm next working over that way.
 
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Same here Mike.
It's a hefty deposit, and postage was £11 so I might try and return personally when I'm next working over that way.
Aye - it is. KMB have been faultless however, parts posted swiftly, deposit returned in the same manner once they'd had my original parts in the post.
 
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Had mine my shaft, hex key and oil pump changed today. £397 other parts and labour, but looking at the wear on my key it was definitely worth it.
My BRE engine has done 154k and whilst I've seen worse wear on hex keys it was on its way out.

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I’m sure their advert reads parts will be sent out upon receiving your worn parts.
I think I’ll phone them once cambelt is done. By the way £606 for cambelt and water pump kit this includes labour does that sound ok?
 
No, they send you the new shaft after paying the deposit and you send them back your old shaft once it's been removed. Definitely.
They're minimising the time your car is off the road. It really is the cheapest way. To buy a new shaft is stupid expensive and just wasting money as the old shaft to you is practically worthless.
 
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Does anyone know a good place to have this done in Essex? I'm considering a A4 avant 2007 BRE engine at around 110k miles. (was quoted 2.5k form Audi specialist lol, and about 600£ in West London) Car is well looked after with good history, shows no symptoms but I would certainly have it checked/done for peace of mind.
It is a car for the wife and I'm stuck as it is either a older 2.0 tdi vag or the dreaded N47 in older BMW (sorry for the Bword here).
She is not too keen on a passat, likes the a4/a6 or 3/5 series. We need to stay as fuel efficient as possible and within 4k. budget.
 
No, they send you the new shaft after paying the deposit and you send them back your old shaft once it's been removed. Definitely.
They're minimising the time your car is off the road. It really is the cheapest way. To buy a new shaft is stupid expensive and just wasting money as the old shaft to you is practically worthless.
Yep - this 100% what I've just had done (above)
 
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Does anyone know a good place to have this done in Essex? I'm considering a A4 avant 2007 BRE engine at around 110k miles. (was quoted 2.5k form Audi specialist lol, and about 600£ in West London) Car is well looked after with good history, shows no symptoms but I would certainly have it checked/done for peace of mind.

£2.5k from an Audi specialist to supply AND fit?
That's prices for down in the Big Smoke for you. Mine was fitted for £390 here in Lincs.
See my post above (with photo of my hex key) of my '08 BRE at 150k. It's had 6 mothly oil changes for the last 3 years though, maybe this has helped.
 
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Hi, new to the forum, I am looking to buy an A4 2.0 TDI diesel 140 quattro 2008 for 6000€ and don't know if I am making a mistake or not (100.000 km).

I've been reading and seems like 2008 may be safe from oil pump issues but not sure. (I am a complete noob regarding cars). I would appreciate a lot if someone could help me.
 
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Hi, and welcome.
My car is an '08, one of the last B7s, with a BRE engine.
See my posts above. I had my shaft and pump changed in March at 150k miles.
The oil pump problem still continues into the early B8 years too (using old pumps up).
Really when buying one you need evidence that the pump has been changed.
 
Hi, and welcome.
My car is an '08, one of the last B7s, with a BRE engine.
See my posts above. I had my shaft and pump changed in March at 150k miles.
The oil pump problem still continues into the early B8 years too (using old pumps up).
Really when buying one you need evidence that the pump has been changed.
Thank you very much for answering, in that case then I think I am going going to leave it, not sure, IwI have to verify it but almost sure pump has not been changed yet.
 
No problem.
It really would be a gamble buying one.
As I say mine was done at 150k and that seems to be about the upper end of milage. Looking at my shaft I don't think I would have had many more miles before it went. Most seem to be between 80-120k, and plenty of B7s being scrapped because if it.
 
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1 worry out the way , 107k started to go , mechanic says it goes down hill fast once it gets to this stage


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1 worry out the way , 107k started to go , mechanic says it goes down hill fast once it gets to this stage


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You were a lucky one, caught it in time.
Apparently it doesn't take for much of the corners to round off for it to let go.

Here's mine at 150k.

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Side note ,mechanic says I’ve got a seized rear calliper ..worth rebuilding or what .Not scared of wielding a spanner or two,is this something I could manage ,any special tools needed


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Side note ,mechanic says I’ve got a seized rear calliper ..worth rebuilding or what .Not scared of wielding a spanner or two,is this something I could manage ,any special tools needed


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I had a seized near side rear too last year.
Just got another from eBay for about £20 from a scrapper.
 
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Hi all,

New to the forum, have been reading around about the 2.0tdi oil pump issue for a while now.
I am looking into getting a 2.0tdi mostly due to better fuel efficency compared to the 2.7 and 3.0. What I'm having problems with though is understanding which engines suffer under the oil pump problem. Most of the threads I have seen only talk about the BLB and BRE engines. I'm currently looking into getting a 2007 A6 Avant 100kw the engine code is BNA; BRF. Does this engine also suffer from the oil pump problem? If the previous owner doesn't know about the status of the oil pump, should I prepare to inspect the pump to make sure that I won't run into any problems?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
 
Maybe this should be a sticky? Will clear up most of the common questions asked on all the VAG forums (ive been through them all while doing my A4 BLB balancer unit/pump):

I spent some time on ETKA a while ago trying to figure out why some 2.0PD oil pump drives fail and some don't. The BKD, AZV & BMN 2.0 engines (which is what found their way into the 2.0 PD Octavia, A3, Golf, various Seats) used a chain driven oil pump very similar, but not identical, to the old 1.9 130hp PD engine. This never seems to give any problems. I can tell from ETKA these engines don't have a balancer shaft which I think is the key to it - it's the balancer shafts that cause the problems on the 'posher' VAG 2.0 PD diesels eg Passat, A4, Superb. By trying to make the engine more refined for the more expensive models they destroyed it's reliability in the process.

Very briefly, the 2.0 PD differs from the 1.9 in having twin Lanchester balancing shafts which contra-rotate at 2x crank speed. The first engines used a chain drive which was a complete disaster (pictures on this website) and the later engines a gear drive. All 2.0 PD got the geared drive towards the end of 2005.

The problem with the 2.0 PD engine is the drive from the slave balancer shaft to the oil pump, which is a piece of 6 AF hex bar which has inadequate engagement depth with the grooves in the slave shaft. It's the torsional oscillations caused by the balance shafts which destroy the oil pump coupling (the 6mm AF bit of hex) and the chain drive to the balancer shafts before the gear driven systems came out, though these still give problems with the hex key rounding. Think washing machine -> unbalanced load -> keep doing it = new machine.

PSA had no problem at all driving their oil pump from the slave balancer shaft on the bigger HDi engines so it's poor VAG engineering at the bottom of it all - as usual.

As I said earlier, the problem is with lack of concentricity of the drive socket into which the drive rod/hex fits. Since I've started looking at this problem, I've seen three cars where the drive socket is off centre by at least 0.1mm. In engineering terms, this is a massive defect. Since I've starting checking the concentricity, all the drive sockets in the failed units were off centre, but all the replacement balancer units were dead centre and have not led to a repeat failure in the people i have spoken too. Some replacement balancer units have now done 100k+ miles according to some garages.

So, to sum up. You will get this problem at some point if you have a 2.0TDi WITH balancer shafts. If your 2.0TDi does NOT have balancer shafts, you will be ok. If you fit the lastest balancer shaft/ pump assembley from VAG it will more than likely cure the problem for life as they have made the hex longer and centered it all properley.

Dealers do not admit any liability. You will not get any fiscal help with changing for the new balancer/pump unit. The fact that VAG have released and re-released different pumps/shafts/engines etc.. is "purely coincidence", according to Audi customer services! I am voting with my feet and never buying a VAG car ever again, they are not worth the extra money and the customer service is a disgrace. If you have this problem yourself, STOP driving the car. If you havent blown the turbo and your engine is not rattling you may get away with not replacing the lump, just the pump/balancer. If you havent had the problem yet and you do have a balancer shaft engine, I would advise either changing the balacer system now or getting rid of the car. From what i can assertain, CR engines are safe. Anything before that..well, Audi/VAG wont say exactley when they started to fit the units that actualy work properley.....

GOOD LUCK!

N.B. Thanks to all the contributers from across the VAG network and various garages

Hi, I’m hoping someone can shed some light on my issue. I’m in Australia and own a 2012 Passat 2.0l TDI, it has a rattle on startup, just rattles for a couple of seconds and then goes and as an ex mechanic it sounds like a timing chain rattle. I have checked with a VW dealer here and they say according to my VIN number it’s a gear driven balance shaft/pump assembly. I have spoken to a couple of dealers and even a VW/Subaru independent workshop and they say they’ve never seen or heard of this issue. Appreciate any feedback, engine number is CFG221041 and its only done just over 100,000km.
 
You're in the Audi A4 section from 2004/2005 to 2007/2008 generation buddy.

I think it'll be a very different engine to anything in this B7 generation
 
77mm oil pump drive did affect early common rail 2.0 TDI B8 A4 , but probably not a 2012 .
 
Thanks tr7 & Gazeould. I appreciate this is the Audi section but the original post by cphaza referred to Audi, VW & Skoda so thought I would see if there was any knowledge that might help my problem. The 2012 2.0l tdi I have has a balance shaft assembly that also drives the oil pump and the problem sounds very similar. See attached image. Thanks
 

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Thanks tr7 & Gazeould. I appreciate this is the Audi section but the original post by cphaza referred to Audi, VW & Skoda so thought I would see if there was any knowledge that might help my problem. The 2012 2.0l tdi I have has a balance shaft assembly that also drives the oil pump and the problem sounds very similar. See attached image. Thanks

Sorry I can't see anything on the diagram that resembles my balance shaft.