Does anyone know what the service interval is on the facelift 7 speed gearbox? I'm getting conflicting opinions of 40k and 80k miles.....
As far as i know the 7 speed (in the pre face lift at least )is a dry dual clutch box which means no fluid inside the box , the only oil inside is an oil bath used to cool the electronics in the mechatronics.
Please correct me if I’m wrong someone
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My 2014 a3 8v 1.8tfsi fwd had 7 speed dsg dry clutch
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7 speed dry clutch on PFL technically doesn’t need a transmission oil change as it’s dry clutch.
Apologies, I forgot this forum wasn't S3 specific (no idea how to word that without sounding like a snob!)
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From the "2016 Audi Maintenance Schedule - All Models" PDF online
Perform first at 35,000 miles and thereafter every 40,000 miles.
it's in your manual brochure why ppl never read it ???
It is on the main audi site under servicing https://www.audi.co.uk/owners-area/servicing.html and it makes no distinction between stronic gearboxes...
It states 120k KM for my 7-speed S-Tronic. It’s on a Q2 2.0tdi Quattro so not sure if it’s the same gearbox though. I did have something done at 50k Km done to do with Quattro oil, can’t specifically remember what right now though!
i have an A3 8PA 1.4 TFSI 2012 7 Speed, would this mean i dont need to change the trans oil as well? im not sure if its dry tbh
Personally, and this is only me, I’d do it every 5-3 years.
Thought process behind this is that at 76k miles before a service, Audi have figured an average of 12k p.a. so that makes it just over 6 years before they say it should be changed.
Take off 20% so you can catch any problems early and that’s 76 months - 15 = 60 months or 5 years, assuming normal mileage.
Then depending on your usage profile (long motorway drives, short town and in between) you bring down the window so you reduce as much wear as possible.
Fontain charge £300 so call it an extra £100 per year in the worst case 3 year cycle to maintain the S-Tronic, assuming you don’t do it yourself
Happy to stand corrected if any of the above is illogical or there’s a better way
Thought process behind this is that at 76k miles before a service, Audi have figured an average of 12k p.a. so that makes it just over 6 years before they say it should be changed.
Take off 20% so you can catch any problems early and that’s 76 months - 15 = 60 months or 5 years, assuming normal mileage.
Then depending on your usage profile (long motorway drives, short town and in between) you bring down the window so you reduce as much wear as possible.
Fontain charge £300 so call it an extra £100 per year in the worst case 3 year cycle to maintain the S-Tronic, assuming you don’t do it yourself
Happy to stand corrected if any of the above is illogical or there’s a better way
Dry clutch eg DQ200 7 speed. No need to change oil as it powers mechatronic only. That said I’d change at 75-100k but I used to change my manual gearbox oil every 50k.
Wet clutch eg DQ250 6 speed (pre facelift). Change oil every 38k as same oil bathes clutches as powers mechatronic.
Wet clutch eg DQ381 7 speed. Change oil 50k (from memory but suggestions range from 40k-70k) and filter.
Wet clutch eg DQ250 6 speed (pre facelift). Change oil every 38k as same oil bathes clutches as powers mechatronic.
Wet clutch eg DQ381 7 speed. Change oil 50k (from memory but suggestions range from 40k-70k) and filter.
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can anyone confirm for this that G05218251LDSP and G052182A2 is the same oil? or is there a difference?
Thread bump, after a bit of advice - I have a 2014 1.4 TFSI with the 7-speed S-Tronic. I've no idea if it's wet clutch, dry clutch, blah blah. I put it into VWAudiTec today for a cam belt change, brake fluid change and gearbox service (which I expected was at least oil change, possibly oil and filter if it has one). They just called to say it's done, only three hours after I dropped it off, and told me it doesn't need a gearbox service because it's a sealed unit so the fluid can't be changed. Audi said the same thing to me when I enquired but I was led to believe that this is because Audi don't service them, but a good independent will. So I'm surprised VWAudiTec didn't - regardless of whether it's in Audi's own service data, surely anything with moving metal parts needs it's oil changed at some point? The car is on 107k and I'd have done the oil several times in a manual car by now (granted, I've never had an auto before)
Do the gears run dry in these gearboxes? and didn't we used to change the oil in gearboxes which had a dry clutch externally?? just a thought.
I changed the fluid in my 7 speed DSG box AND the filter at 20 000 miles just for the peace of mind that flushing out such a highly loaded component gives you. (yes another S3) Audi say that the filter doesn't need changing just because its a bit of a pain to get at.
In my humble opinion what we are debating here are Audis attempts to sell cars to fleet managers who count the service costs in p/mile and not what is good for the car, because they wont have the car after 3 years old, if you intend keeping it, anything you can do to reduce the likelihood of problems on your car as it ages can't be a bad thing.
Have a look at this thread where I worked my way through all the fluids on my car at 3 years old for my peace of mind.
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I used the Fluid P AG 055 529 A2 and filter P AOGC 325 183 A Directly from Audi.
In a former life I was involved with the installation and maintenance of seriously large industrial gearboxes as part of major installations, the gearbox oil was always changed after a specified period of running and the temperature of the gearbox dropped when running after a period with the new oil showing less friction and more power getting to the output of the gearbox.
I changed the fluid in my 7 speed DSG box AND the filter at 20 000 miles just for the peace of mind that flushing out such a highly loaded component gives you. (yes another S3) Audi say that the filter doesn't need changing just because its a bit of a pain to get at.
In my humble opinion what we are debating here are Audis attempts to sell cars to fleet managers who count the service costs in p/mile and not what is good for the car, because they wont have the car after 3 years old, if you intend keeping it, anything you can do to reduce the likelihood of problems on your car as it ages can't be a bad thing.
Have a look at this thread where I worked my way through all the fluids on my car at 3 years old for my peace of mind.
Facelift - Vital fluids
This is what £350.00 of Audi gear oils looks like:- 6 l of DSG oil 2 l of differential oil 0.85 l of Haldex oil + the relevant filters, seals and drain/filler plugs I plan to change all my vital fluids over the next couple of weeks, watch this space!!!!
In a former life I was involved with the installation and maintenance of seriously large industrial gearboxes as part of major installations, the gearbox oil was always changed after a specified period of running and the temperature of the gearbox dropped when running after a period with the new oil showing less friction and more power getting to the output of the gearbox.
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Well after a bit more research and speaking to a few different places: I spoke to TVS who said despite what Audi say, they can be and should be serviced, and they use 1.9L of oil to do so. I contacted Awesome GTI who said they do indeed service these DQ200's, and charge £90 for an oil change using genuine dealer oil. Manchester is a little far for me (only 200 miles each way!) so I contacted DMA Performance, also a TVS dealer, who said they also service and repair these boxes. I was told they actually have two different oil chambers: the gear side (that uses ~2L of oil) and the mechatronix side(that uses 1L of different oil). Since my box is dry clutch, so the friction material never comes into contact with the oil that mixes with the mechatronix, it's not worth doing that unless I have a problem with it, and was advised I only need the gear-side oil done. Similar price to Awesome GTI, just over £90 for VW oil and labour. Much closer to me (less than 30 miles each way), so I'll be booking it in there to get that done, even if it's just for my own piece of mind. And then hope that my mechatronix doesn't fail, which they apparently do. Often.
Metatronics on there are pretty reliable. It’s on the 8pa that they are prone to failure as that is wet clutch.
The difference between the 2 boxes is night and day. 7 speed on my C8 is smooth as silk compared to my 8PA
I have an 8p and an 8 v. I get haldex and dsg serviced every 36 k. I get oil every 6 k. I have issues so…
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Had the gearbox oil changed this morning by DMA Performance in Basildon. Guy seemed to know his stuff, specialises in VAG cars and says he repairs and rebuilds the DSG7 boxes quite a bit, so he flew through the oil change - in fact, it was done by the time I'd got back from the cafe! Might not make it more immune to failure, but at least I know it has nice clean oil for the gears and bearings
Mines in for service today at 38k at vag specialist.
£240…seemed average from a few local quotes.
£240…seemed average from a few local quotes.
Here’s Audi UK recommended times for my S3 2017 7 speed S Tronic gear oil change.
Swear that has changed lol, mine says the same now.
I’ve seen 36-38k quoted everywhere!
Looks like I should have got the sparks done instead!
They drove it 6 miles after the work to test it, this seems excessive?!
I’ve seen 36-38k quoted everywhere!
Looks like I should have got the sparks done instead!
They drove it 6 miles after the work to test it, this seems excessive?!
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They may have performed a relearn on your DSG which is why they covered 6 miles just to make sure all was OK.
Some official VAG documentation might say 80k for the DQ380/DQ381 but this was revised to 38k. It still amazes me they don't change the filter unless you ask them.
