A3 8P Instrument Cluster Fault Stopping Engine Running

[DRMK]

Hi folks,

I could do with some advice regarding my wife’s 2009 (2010 model year) A3 1.6 Petrol (non FSI) , I went to start it yesterday and it seemed to start for a second then cut out instantly, and the instrument cluster remains blank with no signs of life.
After a few basic checks (jump starting, fuses etc) and a scan with my HEX-NET, I did some research on the symptoms and it looks as though there’s a problem with the instrument cluster. Apparently it’s pretty common and as the immobilisers in the cluster, it stops the car running.
The cluster had been beeping randomly over the past 2 months, I think approx 4 times total, but never presented a fault on the dash, I never got round to checking with VCDS.

The 2 viable options I have is to send her original cluster off for repair at a reasonable expense, or buy a second hand unit (with matching part number for simplicity) much cheaper and try to code myself with VCDS.
So my question is what would people recommend? Can get a second hand cluster to around £50 and code myself, or is it less hassle just to pay to have hers repaired for around £180?
I’m not sure what’s involved in adjusting mileage and coding the keys hence my hesitation to jump in and go for the cheaper option.

Any advice gratefully received!

 

[NHN]

If no signs of life then get another cluster 1st to plug in & see if this lights up, then you'll know where you stand.

 

[DRMK]

If my tools weren’t all at work, I’d be checking the power supply to the cluster, but I know the fuse is good. The stereo comes on and the car turns over, so I’m inclined to think it’s not the ignition switch.
I should have also mentioned all the fault codes related to communication with the instrument cluster and 1 about incorrect immobiliser. Annoyingly she’s away at the moment and took the other key, but don’t see why all of a sudden the key I have would stop working and even if it did, I’d have thought the cluster would still have shown some signs of life.

What’s involved in swapping the cluster over? I don’t mind buying another if it’s something I can code myself, I have full VCDS, just not done this type of coding before.
Is there any other way of diagnosing it without buying another? I’d rather not if I ultimately won’t be using it. I’m also trying to get this sorted ASAP as she needs it for work, so would like to either get the unit sent off or place the order for the replacement cluster tomorrow to speed things up.
Thanks again for your help!

 

[DRMK]

Heres the scan results in case it helps:

Chassis Type: 8P-AU35 (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: WAUZZZ8P2AB

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (BSE) Labels: 06A-906-033-BGU.lbl
Part No SW: 06A 906 033 JL HW: 06A 906 033 JL
Component: BSE S71 1.6 2V 3460
Revision: --H01--- Serial number: AUX7Z0I6FN60H9
Coding: 0044071
Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
VCID: 72A80B3B6D07F3DFA1-8026

3 Faults Found:
16897 - Incorrect Immobilizer Key
P0513 - 008 -
Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 10.81 V
RPM: 992 /min
Bin. Bits: 00000100
Lambda: -100.0 %
Voltage: 11.83 V
RPM: 0 /min
Bin. Bits: 00000001
Lambda: -100.0 %

28827 - No Communication with Instrument Cluster
U0155 - 009 -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 704 /min
Mass Air / Rev.: 169.0 mg/str
Bin. Bits: 00110000
Absolute Pres.: 4.4 bar
RPM: 224 /min
Mass Air / Rev.: 272.5 mg/str
Bin. Bits: 00110000
Absolute Pres.: 4.4 bar

18036 - Powertrain Data Bus
P1628 - 009 - Missing Message from Steering Angle Sensor - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Hex Value: 0x0000
Speed: 0.0 km/h
(no units): 1.0
Bin. Bits: 00000010

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----) Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AN HW: 1K0 907 379 AN
Component: ESP MK60EC1 H45 0107
Revision: 00H45001
Coding: 1362201A094A0022C833040C904100813800
Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
VCID: 7EB02F0BE95FA7BFD5-802A

5 Faults Found:
01309 - Power Steering Control Module (J500)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
Count: 0
Count: 0
Count: 12800
Count: 8213
Count: 40960
Count: 1
Count: 0
Count: 0

00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
Count: 2
Count: 0
Count: 12800
Count: 166
Count: 41216
Count: 1
Count: 0
Count: 0

01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
Count: 0
Count: 0
Count: 12288
Count: 8208
Count: 40448
Count: 513
Count: 0
Count: 0

03391 - Coding Not Possible
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
Count: 2
Count: 0
Count: 12800
Count: 8254
Count: 42752
Count: 513
Count: 0
Count: 0

00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
Count: 2
Count: 0
Count: 12800
Count: 8211
Count: 42752
Count: 513
Count: 0
Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8P0-820-043.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 820 043 BK HW: 8P0 820 043 BK
Component: KlimavollautomatH09 0130
Revision: 000347 Serial number: 8P0820043BK
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 76A0372B016FEFFF8D-8022

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
008 - Implausible Signal
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101000
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
ON


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 8P0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8P0 907 063 A HW: 8P0 907 063 A
Component: BCM PQ35 M 104 0541
Revision: 00104 AG
Coding: 0E000A2FB005F0C0207041E00000015C431A29AA104DC929E40008800040
Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
VCID: 3228CB3B6D87B3DF61-8066

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8P2 955 119 F HW: 8P2 955 119 F Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer AU350 H10 0040
Coding: 00DD13

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8P0 951 177
Component: Innenraumuebe H04 0020

Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 605
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H09 9002

Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 C
Component: Neigungssenso 005 0003

4 Faults Found:
01504 - Bulb for License-Plate Light (X)
014 - Defective - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101110
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 254
Reset counter: 45
Mileage: 142054 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2019.08.22
Time: 21:03:11

Freeze Frame:
Term 15 On
Voltage: 14.15 V
ON
ON
Term 50 Off
OFF
ON

01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
014 - Defective
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101110
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 80
Mileage: 128156 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2017.08.29
Time: 19:44:50

Freeze Frame:
Term 15 Off
Voltage: 14.15 V
OFF
ON
Term 50 Off
OFF
OFF

01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Mileage: 144488 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
Term 15 On
Voltage: 11.70 V
ON
ON
Term 50 Off
OFF
OFF

01516 - Terminal 30; Left
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 46
Mileage: 144488 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
Term 15 Off
Voltage: 12.20 V
OFF
ON
Term 50 Off
OFF
OFF


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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:* 8P0-959-655-10.clb
Part No SW: 8P0 959 655 P HW: 8P0 959 655 P
Component: Airbag AU1042 H06 0140
Revision: -------- Serial number: 003FB001RPKG
Coding: 30314238303830303037554A305238503053
Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_Airba10AURB4 001001
ROD: EV_Airba10AURB4.rod
VCID: 4FEEA2CF1675FE376E-801A

Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 3572DRB4000090A04AAT

Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side:
Serial number: 3582DRB400009010D92L

Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side:
Serial number: 35128RB400004D8E566V

Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side:
Serial number: 35228RB400004D8EA47-

Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 35547RB400004E21FFF3

Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
Serial number: 35647RB400004E21FD8

1 Fault Found:
12670208 - No Communication with Instrument Cluster
U0155 00 [009] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Mileage: 0 km
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00


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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 8P0-953-549.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 953 549 K HW: 8P0 953 549 K
Component: J0527 H37 0070
Coding: 0002012
Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
VCID: 46C087EB310F3F7FDD-8012

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 H02 0030

2 Faults Found:
01304 - Radio
004 - No Signal/Communication
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 17: Instruments
Cannot be reached

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AA HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533 Gateway H16 0222
Revision: H16 Serial number: 4040K0950982F6
Coding: E9807F06000202002103
Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
VCID: 6680676B51CF1F7F3D-8032

3 Faults Found:
01304 - Radio
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 20
Mileage: 127395 km
Time Indication: 0

00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0

01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0


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Address 25: Immobilizer
Cannot be reached

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN3.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 959 801 N HW: 8P0 959 801 N
Component: Tuer-SG H04 0100
Coding: 0000692
Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
VCID: 46C087EB310F3F7FDD-8012

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
Part No: 1K0 909 144 E
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 232 2501
Revision: 00H15000
Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
VCID: 2C14D5438FA3E52F2B-8078

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 6
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 11.75 V
DD
Temperature: 8.0°C
RPM: 0 /min
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Count: 0


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
Part No SW: 8P0 959 802 N HW: 8P0 959 802 N
Component: Tuer-SG H04 0100
Coding: 0000692
Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
VCID: 47DE8AEF3605267726-8012

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 8P4-959-801.lbl
Part No SW: 8P4 959 801 F HW: 8P4 959 801 F
Component: Tuer-SG H04 0050
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 00046 412 1012544
VCID: 42C89BFB1D27035FF1-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 8P4-959-802.lbl
Part No SW: 8P4 959 802 F HW: 8P4 959 802 F
Component: Tuer-SG H04 0050
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 00046 412 1012544
VCID: 43C69EFF023D0A57FA-8016

No fault code found.

 

[DRMK]

Ok, quick update, it started today and clusters working, albeit a little reluctantly and needing some additional power via booster cables. Lots of smoke and requiring throttle to clear the cylinders, suggesting it'd been injecting fuel but not firing.
Think the battery was a little low as I'd been sitting in it a while yesterday with the laptop etc and lots of failed attempts at starting.

Only notable differences is that its a bit warmer today, so could be battery related, but it was turning over nice and fast yesterday. Managed to get all the codes cleared, except aftermarket radio related, and AUTO HVAC which may be related to the removal of the standard stereo?

Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8P0-820-043.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 820 043 BK HW: 8P0 820 043 BK
Component: KlimavollautomatH09 0130
Revision: 000347 Serial number: 8P0820043BK
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 76A0372B016FEFFF8D-8022

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 46
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
ON

Not sure what to do now, ignore it as a glitch in the matrix or prepare for the worst. Last thing I want is the wife getting stuck somewhere, I'll never hear the end of it!

 

[NHN]

I do wonder if the ignition switch is an issue given no Comms with other modules, but low battery doesn't help.

 

[DRMK]

If it starts in the morning, I’m going to try taking it into work, sticking the battery on charge and then testing it. Hopefully it’s the battery as it’s a quick easy fix.
I cycled the ignition loads of times yesterday, so the fact it’s working today makes me think I would’ve got a hint of something on the dash even if for a split second yesterday.
It’s freezing outside now, so going to see if it starts, if it doesn’t then I’ll definitely know it’s related to the cold.

 

[bikedoctorr]

I think I read in the Vcds manual or research I was doing into a fault code I have every now and again that latter cars do not turn anything on the clocks if the immobiliser cuts in. Where’s as a old car will light up start for 1-3 secs then cut out. If your immobiliser has kicked in that could be why it had so many faults that have gone now as nothing was powered. It did say the wrong key code used. Sometimes the battery in the key can be low to cause this??? Plus if your misses has the key used all the time and this is a unused key battery power not being tested often. ??? I don’t know for sure but just food for thought.

 

[bakerjvb]

Hi folks,

I could do with some advice regarding my wife’s 2009 (2010 model year) A3 1.6 Petrol (non FSI) , I went to start it yesterday and it seemed to start for a second then cut out instantly, and the instrument cluster remains blank with no signs of life.
After a few basic checks (jump starting, fuses etc) and a scan with my HEX-NET, I did some research on the symptoms and it looks as though there’s a problem with the instrument cluster. Apparently it’s pretty common and as the immobilisers in the cluster, it stops the car running.
The cluster had been beeping randomly over the past 2 months, I think approx 4 times total, but never presented a fault on the dash, I never got round to checking with VCDS.

The 2 viable options I have is to send her original cluster off for repair at a reasonable expense, or buy a second hand unit (with matching part number for simplicity) much cheaper and try to code myself with VCDS.
So my question is what would people recommend? Can get a second hand cluster to around £50 and code myself, or is it less hassle just to pay to have hers repaired for around £180?
I’m not sure what’s involved in adjusting mileage and coding the keys hence my hesitation to jump in and go for the cheaper option.

Any advice gratefully received!

Yep happened to me today. 2009 Audi A3 FSi. The dash was blank: no lights. the radio was fine. car started but cut out after a second or so.
I dont know it these are relevant but: The spare key was in the glove compartment. The clocks changed last weekend. I found the car the other day with all the windows down and yes it was raining!
Solution
Having wasted my time checking all the fuses. I took the spare key and locked the car with the original key.
I left the original key 20ft away from the car and unlocked the care with the spare key.
Bingo! all the lights on the dash came on and the car started fine.
I changed the clock to the correct time (GMT).
Switched off and locked the car.
I then unlocked the car with the original key and all was working fine.
Hope this helps someone else.

 

[NHN]

Tbh the keys dont make the clocks change operation except when turning ignition on & off, sounds more like coincidence & a little time gave it chance to reset itself.