Afternoon with the mad professor!!

Moschops

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Spent the afternoon with John 45BVTC as it was time to sort out those yucky looking rear hubs!!

Before.



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After rub down, clean and a coat of clear POR-51


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Wheels also cleaned and protected.


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Bluey and Bright Bluey..


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A big thanks to the Professor AKA John and his good lady for the tea and banter.
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Kelza

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Defo need one as i have used the wheel jack in the boot ,and it was a total mission...
 

45bvtc

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Advice from "the mad professor" :thumbsup:

I actually use two of these jacks (both from Machine Mart) and not one (sorry).

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The reason: as the RS3 (and our TT) are both Quattro then one FRONT wheel on it's own is difficult to rotate, however with two jacks and lifting both FRONT wheels off the ground then the FRONT wheels are easy to rotate.

Does NOT apply to the REAR wheels, the REAR wheels will rotate easily on there own.

You'll also need to make two adaptors, one for each jack. I used a piece of 25mm thick x 75mm wide x 140mm long timber as the base, adding a piece of 25mm thick x 35mm wide x 80mm long timber to the top (ok I actually used 20mm thick timber with a piece of 5mm thick rubber sheet but that really isn't necessary). These adaptors fit into the recesses provided under the RS3 for lifting (not required for the TT)

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Tools: 1) I use a 1/2" drive breaker bar with a stub-extension and a 17mm socket to undo the wheel bolts, and 2) VERY IMPORTANT I use a 1/2" drive torque wrench (set to 120 Nm (89 lbf ft)) with stub-extension and a 17mm socket to tighten the wheel bolts.

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Hope this helps…
 

45bvtc

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Did mine November 2011 ScottB5: if I didn't believe this to be a simple and effective solution then I certainly would not advocate the process for others... BLUEY's very content with the application...
 

CarrG

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Your a star fair play John.:beerchug:

Nice trolley jacks but I'm too tight for that my old skool 4.5t has been with me before I owned a car 17yrs ago.
 

monkeyboy_marcus

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Advice from "the mad professor" :thumbsup:

I actually use two of these jacks (both from Machine Mart) and not one (sorry).

RS3_0005_zpsf4e43197.jpg


The reason: as the RS3 (and our TT) are both Quattro then one FRONT wheel on it's own is difficult to rotate, however with two jacks and lifting both FRONT wheels off the ground then the FRONT wheels are easy to rotate.

Does NOT apply to the REAR wheels, the REAR wheels will rotate easily on there own.

You'll also need to make two adaptors, one for each jack. I used a piece of 25mm thick x 75mm wide x 140mm long timber as the base, adding a piece of 25mm thick x 35mm wide x 80mm long timber to the top (ok I actually used 20mm thick timber with a piece of 5mm thick rubber sheet but that really isn't necessary). These adaptors fit into the recesses provided under the RS3 for lifting (not required for the TT)

RS3_0004_zps33b381f6.jpg


Tools: 1) I use a 1/2" drive breaker bar with a stub-extension and a 17mm socket to undo the wheel bolts, and 2) VERY IMPORTANT I use a 1/2" drive torque wrench (set to 120 Nm (89 lbf ft)) with stub-extension and a 17mm socket to tighten the wheel bolts.

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Hope this helps…

Thanks John, always useful feedback!

I can't justify two trolley jacks, so will lift the side of the car I'm not working on just off the ground with the car jack. Hopefully I can find some old timber around the place to make an adaptor.

Regarding the wheel nuts and breaker bar/torque wrench, why can't a tyre iron be used? Is this just an easier option? I will have to look in the boot and see what came with the car so may answer my own questions shortly!
 

45bvtc

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Hey Marcus... :respekt:

I'm just saying what I do... :o.k:

The LAST think I want is for anyone to get hurt 'messing' with wheels and tyres and brakes... :think: And you've now a little one to think of, too!

I've an open door to anyone, with an RS3 :redrs4: who comes my way; I'm ALWAYS willing to help, BUT SAFELY! :meeting:
 
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I totally agree, and I'm looking at buying an RS3 so don't actually own one yet, but john has always time for my numerous emailed questions and advice.
 

elton121272

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Hey Marcus... :respekt:

I'm just saying what I do... :o.k:

The LAST think I want is for anyone to get hurt 'messing' with wheels and tyres and brakes... :think: And you've now a little one to think of, too!

I've an open door to anyone, with an RS3 :redrs4: who comes my way; I'm ALWAYS willing to help, BUT SAFELY! :meeting:

John.....is it true your moving up my way to Glasgow or was I just dreaming ;-)
 

monkeyboy_marcus

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Hey Marcus... :respekt:

I'm just saying what I do... :o.k:

The LAST think I want is for anyone to get hurt 'messing' with wheels and tyres and brakes... :think: And you've now a little one to think of, too!

I've an open door to anyone, with an RS3 :redrs4: who comes my way; I'm ALWAYS willing to help, BUT SAFELY! :meeting:

No worries John, I'll let you know how I get on with the wheels tomorrow. I've considered the 360 mile round trip, I really have!

Had a good go at the paintwork today, Iron-x, pressure washer, auto glym shampoo, sonax clay and spray, shampoo again... ran out of time for the sonax protect and shine stuff but will apply in the AM. Never clayed a car before and I'm very impressed with the result so far, although the sun was setting so we'll see how she looks by daylight and post some photos!
 

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John.....is it true your moving up my way to Glasgow or was I just dreaming ;-)

RS3-KEL is right elton, it's just your dream... but thank you, I appreciate your humour/dream.

My dream however is of morning rolls, fish suppers, pokey hats and/or double nuggets on the beach in Saltcoats and Largs...

Am I right Sandra?

Plus a visit to MK0 in Kilwinning...
 

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RS3-KEL is right elton, it's just your dream... but thank you, I appreciate your humour/dream.

My dream however is of morning rolls, fish suppers, pokey hats and/or double nuggets on the beach in Saltcoats and Largs...

Am I right Sandra?

Plus a visit to MK0 in Kilwinning...

You sure are John. Look forward to your visit, i will take you and Judith out for lunch and a trip to all the places you miss so much. :) x
 

45bvtc

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Here's where I lift Marcus - and for others:

At the FRONT and in-line with the detent in the sill:

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and at the REAR again in-line with the detent in the sill:

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P_G

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John,

In your second picture the circular rubber piece is the jacking point and similarly there are ones at the front like this? I see however your trolley jacks have flat pads rather than clawed ones so I guess there could be a risk the car could slide off.

BTW the POR-15 you have, what size tin did you get as I can only find 375ml+ sizes and for what is needed that's a heel of a lot of product to have left over!
 

monkeyboy_marcus

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John,

In your second picture the circular rubber piece is the jacking point and similarly there are ones at the front like this? I see however your trolley jacks have flat pads rather than clawed ones so I guess there could be a risk the car could slide off.

That is what I thought they were from a bit of internet research. Apparently they are designed for four-point jacking and single-point could potentially cause some damage, although probably only if you were elevating the car considerably and maybe not if just removing the wheel for a short time. I'll be trying this out later as part of my Friday night fun (new born baby and toddler at home!).
 

45bvtc

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Ref: "the circular rubber piece is the jacking point" :think:

I don't think so but I'm willing to be wrong. However, if those circular rubber pieces are jacking points then the jack in the boot of my RS3 won't fit 'em!

Like so:


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But I, and whoever put this jack in the boot of my car (Bluey), maybe wrong :sadlike:

On the other hand, consider chassis alignment pick-up points, maybe? :blink:

PS, here's another clue: see page 162 of the RS3 Owner's Manual where it states: "Locate the jacking point under the door sill closest to the wheel being changed. Wind up the jack under the jacking point until the claw of the jack is directly below the vertical rib under the door sill". You can read the rest…. :readit:

Ref: "so I guess there could be a risk the car could slide off"

True, but I don't have, nor ever have, had a problem in 41-years of servicing cars.

I do have a problem however when I have a car on jacks, and I'm underneath, and someone opens the bl##dy door to get his fags out - which is what another RS3 owner is referring to when I got excited :nunu:: and is the main reason inexperienced 'owners' are kept OUT of the workshop...

Ref: " POR-15 you have, what size tin did you get".

POR15 'clear' is listed in 2-sizes:
#P230 is 473mm. and
#P235 is 946ml

#P230 is as much as you need, as shown on Page 51 of the 2012 winter FROST catalogue (sorry, I've already given away the summer catalogue…).

Hope this helps and saves you money...
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Kelza

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Hi john that jack is pants , mine slipped under the car, was a nightmare to try get the jack back off ,never again! Sorry rant over ..:)
 

Moschops

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It is!!! John. And I've now got to get it back in the bl##dy boot having taken it out to 'demonstrate' my point...

Lol......:jester:

Was taught when I first joined the services and was under going my "technical Training", always use the right tool for the job!!! or as the instructor quoted, "If I catch you using the wrong tool I'll shove it where the sun don' shine..." Point got across. :eiertritt:

Your instructions and demo's John are always helpful and a mine of information, please keep up your infectious tutorage.... :arco:
 

Moschops

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John,

In your second picture the circular rubber piece is the jacking point and similarly there are ones at the front like this? I see however your trolley jacks have flat pads rather than clawed ones so I guess there could be a risk the car could slide off.

BTW the POR-15 you have, what size tin did you get as I can only find 375ml+ sizes and for what is needed that's a heel of a lot of product to have left over!

I bought the large one, it will always come in handy for something else or another car...just need to decant it now in into small jars as the tin won't last long being opened and closed all the time...as quoted by the "MP" himself...:beerchug:
It will end up looking like it's been chewed by a Stegosaurus...
 

monkeyboy_marcus

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Ref: "the circular rubber piece is the jacking point" :think:

I don't think so but I'm willing to be wrong. However, if those circular rubber pieces are jacking points then the jack in the boot of my RS3 won't fit 'em!

Like so:


RS3-0024_zpse862499e.jpg


But I, and whoever put this jack in the boot of my car (Bluey), maybe wrong :sadlike:

On the other hand, consider chassis alignment pick-up points, maybe? :blink:

I don't think that the circular rubber bits are THE jacking points for the car jack in the boot but they may be designed as jacking points for another sort of jack. See this video for info: High Definition Video: VW/Audi Jack Pad Adapter
 

P_G

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There are two jacking points on ever corner, one for your boot jack and one for the Audi ramps which you can also use for trolley jacks at home.
 

monkeyboy_marcus

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There are two jacking points on ever corner, one for your boot jack and one for the Audi ramps which you can also use for trolley jacks at home.

Yep!

Just been speaking to these guys about jacking points and adaptors ECS Volkswagen & Audi Jack Pad Adapter > Maintenance > S3 8P/Mk2 > AUDI A3/S3 > VAG Specialists > PSI Tuning - VW Specialists - looks like you would have to replace the existing bungs with different ones for the adaptors to sit snug at a cost of £2.50/unit plus £20.00 for the adaptor itself. I'll test it later but for wheel removal the angle is not really such that you'd expect slippage off the rubber-clad trolley jack plate...
 

S3DBW

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Audi already appears to have these bungs and lift points, the difference being that it is a hex plug rather than a round plug as shown in the ECS kit. So the obvious question would be is there an Audi adapter that fits the existing lift point that could be obtained?
 

monkeyboy_marcus

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Audi already appears to have these bungs and lift points, the difference being that it is a hex plug rather than a round plug as shown in the ECS kit. So the obvious question would be is there an Audi adapter that fits the existing lift point that could be obtained?

Indeed! Have asked the question of the Coulsdon Audi workshop manager and will feedback his response next week...
 

monkeyboy_marcus

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John,

In your second picture the circular rubber piece is the jacking point and similarly there are ones at the front like this? I see however your trolley jacks have flat pads rather than clawed ones so I guess there could be a risk the car could slide off.

BTW the POR-15 you have, what size tin did you get as I can only find 375ml+ sizes and for what is needed that's a heel of a lot of product to have left over!

Want to go 50/50 on a tin? I agree, there would be a lot of wastage otherwise...
 
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