Car wont start help please!!

[dangriff540]

Rught guys yesterday on my way to work aftwr around 2 miles my car started to missfire and sound very lumpy, i crawled to a lay by 500yards up the road and popped the bonnet, i had a look around and couldnt see any visible leaks or damage, the air intake pipe was slightly a jar, i connected it back up and all seemed well and good again. Drove home from work with no problems!! Gone to start for work this morning and it wont fire, i can hear the engine turning butit just wont fire into life!!?? Any ideas or best routes of enquires to what it is!!??

 

[dangriff540]

Engine is a 2.4 v6

 

[Mike.M]

coil packs posiibly

 

[dangriff540]

Thanks mike, is that an expensive job?? Got my mate whos a mechanic is coming to have a quick look at it tonight before making a plan of action!!

 

[desertstorm]

Could be quite a few things. Reading the fault codes would probably point you in the right direction. Sounds fuel related to me from what you have said. although could be an intermittent electrical issue.

 

[D9n dk]

sorry to say but it could be anything getting the fault codes read would be your first thing to do if its not starting or running rough there will be a fault code there, post back with what your mechanic mate finds

 

[dangriff540]

Thanks for the input guys, mechanic hasnt shown up as hes stacked out at work and still at his garage!! Will keep you updated

 

[D9n dk]

A pop and smoke don't sound good it's prop back fired with un burnt fuel which split the in take pipe. If it's not starting there should be another code there as to why. Did they try delete the present codes? Did they come back on?

 

[D9n dk]

I'm sure if you started your own thread a lot more people would see it

 

[dangriff540]

Quick update, Ro55 has just been round with VAG.COM equitment and that brought nothing up that would stop the car running. He noticed my fuel gauge was on empty, we listened for fuel through tank and couldnt hear any, now i had 1/4 of a tank on monday evening 100%, so we checked the lock on the filler cap and it isnt locking so im thinking its been sythened overnight!! Going to get fuel in an hour or so so will update you!!

 

[D9n dk]

Going back and reading your first post could be no fuel related mate

 

[dangriff540]

Im so hoping it is no fuel and nothing wrong!!!0

 

[Mike.M]

Check for leaks or split fuel pipes too

 

[dangriff540]

Right ok....... my stupidness is continuing!!! Just put fuel in and tried again to no sucess, then realised than we were looking at the temp gauge earlier and i have actually still got nearly half a tank of fuel, not doing myself any favours here am I........ jumping the battery may be my next port of call then its probably looking at compression tests!?!?

 

[Ro55]

Thursday,21,January,2016,17:10:16:46154
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20151216
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: VCDS Ross-Tech Pro

VIN: WAUZZZ8E84A260130 License Plate: DAN
Mileage: 111540km-69307mi Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
67 69 75 76 77

VIN: WAUZZZ8E84A260130 Mileage: 111540km-69307miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 8E0 909 552 R HW: 8E0 909 052
Component: 2.4L V6/5V 0010
Coding: 0011511
Shop #: WSC 63351 000 00000
VCID: 3D76B59E67C5E4D65A-515C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-517.lbl
Part No: 8E0 614 517
Component: ABS/ESP front 4529
Coding: 04495
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 65C63DFEFFD58C16E2-513E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
Part No: 8E0 820 043 AA
Component: A4 Klimaautomat 1323
Coding: 00000
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 60C82CEAE0F7E93E11-515C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
Part No: 8E0 907 279 C
Component: int. Lastmodul RDW 0606
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 326C96A2FE9B2BAEB7-4B38

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.lbl
Part No: 8E0 959 655 J
Component: Airbag 8.4EP 1002
Coding: 0010602
Shop #: WSC 63351 000 00000
VCID: 3E74B2926AC3FFCE43-515C

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
Part No: 8E0 953 549 S
Component: Lenksáulenmodul 0611
Coding: 01001
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 4382C366512192262C-4B38

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
Part No: 8E0 920 950 N
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D42
Coding: 00401
Shop #: WSC 00772
VCID: 346090BA048F259EA5-517A
WAUZZZ8E84A260130 AUZ6Z0D0062506

1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 8E0-951-177.lbl
Part No: 8E0 951 177
Component: Innenraumueberw. 0704
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 6BD24BC61931BA66B4-515C

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.lbl
Part No: 8E0 959 433 BC
Component: Komfortgerát T3B 1412
Coding: 06859
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 73E253A6410162A67C-4B38

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802B
Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0103

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801B
Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0103

Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801A
Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0204

Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802A
Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0204

5 Faults Found:
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
00962 - Alarm via. Tilt Sensor
35-00 - -
01368 - Alarm triggered by Luggage Compartment Switch
35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
35-00 - -
01573 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Rear Left
35-00 - -

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 06:13)--------------------------

 

[Ro55]

All faults cleared.Dan fuel showed low,but your on a bank remember...it turned over very freely.get some jump leads and cold start.Get some coolant too,just looks like water in there...i wish i had come more equipped. Only just got in. keep me posted,or if you need owt just say.

 

[D9n dk]

well there is nothing there to show anything major, put some life in the battery and go from there

 

[Ro55]

I got a gut feeling its the pump,if no joy with battery and cold start.ill pop back and test it mate....you could stick your ear on the back seat while someone turns the key.pump should be drivers side.

 

[D9n dk]

pop up the back seats and give the pump a bit of a wack see if it might give it a kick

 

[Jacz]

I'm sure if you started your own thread a lot more people would see it

How do I do that??

 

[dangriff540]

All faults cleared.Dan fuel showed low,but your on a bank remember...it turned over very freely.get some jump leads and cold start.Get some coolant too,just looks like water in there...i wish i had come more equipped. Only just got in. keep me posted,or if you need owt just say.

Only just got in at 10.20, must of been some sort of traffic on your way home!! Thanks for coming round tho i appreciate it!! A lad at work used to be a mechanic at ford in aber so hoping hes going to pop back and look at it to check its sparking and fuel is getting to the engine, and also trying to get my hands on some jump leads today to try it!!

 

[dangriff540]

pop up the back seats and give the pump a bit of a wack see if it might give it a kick

Thanks for the advice Dan i appreciate the help, its all leading me down the road to fixing it hopefully, the more i try the less iv got to pay the mechanics

 

[dangriff540]

Update..... my work mate (ex mechanic) has been round, the engine is getting a spark but no fuel. We took the fuel pipe apart at the high pressure nut/bolt thingy majig and whike turning over there was no fuel spurting out. So we found the fuel pump which was in the boot and took the feed pipe of and turned the car over, fuel was spurting out around 5cm out of the top of the pump. So pump is working but not getting fuel at the engine, after a good few turn overs there was no sign of fuel dripping from the bottom of the car so no leak in the line. Looks like iv either got a blockage in the fuel line or there isnt enough pressure coming out of the fuel pump as he said it should really be hitting the top of the boot (saloon). Any more insight from you guys as to fuel pressure or pump being knackered??

 

[Mike.M]

Sound like the fuel pump is very tired as there should be quite a bit of pressure.

 

[dangriff540]

Sound like the fuel pump is very tired as there should be quite a bit of pressure.

Yeah thats what im thinking. Is replacing the fuel pump a big job, ie does the tank need dropping or is it a job that can be done from inside the boot?? Can anybody provide a part number for the fuel pump, iv looked in the part numbers section and cant find it and have also searched online!?

 

[D9n dk]

I'd go for a new fuel pump and replace the fuel filter like your mate said the pressure coming out of that pump should go everywhere and hit the roof of the boot sounds like a partially seized fuel pump

 

[dangriff540]

I'd go for a new fuel pump and replace the fuel filter like your mate said the pressure coming out of that pump should go everywhere and hit the roof of the boot sounds like a partially seized fuel pump

Yeah thats my plan, is it a job that someone who knows what they are doing can do on my drive??

 

[D9n dk]

Yer I don't see why not where is the fuel pump exactly

 

[dangriff540]

In the boot, just behind the spare wheel compartment under a metal plate thats like the ones under the rear bench. Its pretty awkward to work in but its accessable, and the fuel feeds are on the top of the pump so cant really see why it couldnt be changed on the spot........

 

[D9n dk]

Yeh it might be a bit tricky but someone with some patience could do it I'm sure mate

 

[dangriff540]

Im hoping so, saves paying a recovery team a fee to transport it to a garage. Thanks Dan. Ill keep you all updated on any progress but i doubt there will be until next week!!

 

[D9n dk]

haha i know i work for one of them recovery teams if you close by and need help i can bring my truck out to you

 

[dangriff540]

Thanks for the offer, but after looking at your profile your from bedford which is around 2hours away from me, but appreciate it thanks!!

 

[Ro55]

Hey,left you and went to stafford lol.
Ive never done one before matey,your probably best getting it to your mate and tell him what you have found.i know some pumps can be split and cleaned,there is a metal gauze in them that clogs.It might be that or whole new unit needed,pm me your reg and i might be able to get you a genuine unit cheap. also pop your reg in euro car parts.

 

[Ro55]

Get the fuel filter done 1st,it may be clogged slowing the fuel supply to engine....i wouldnt be suprised if its that.

 

[dangriff540]

Right update.....
Finally got my mechanic round after a week of waiting, 3minutes later the car is running!!! The pump had ceased its self and by switching the power points he made it go backwards which un ceased it then she fired 1st turn of the key!! Leaving it to run for a while now to lube itself back up and put some special stuff hes bringing me back later to further help the lubrication of the pump!! We all love a bit of lube!! Happy with that outcome after looking at the prices of new pumps, £200 +vat was the best price i could find!!

 

[D9n dk]

glad you got it sorted mate

 

[dangriff540]

glad you got it sorted mate

It was sorted........ friday afternoon is ceased again!! New fuel pump has arrived today and is going in tomorrow with a bit of luck!! Fingers crossed that will be the job done!!

 

[D9n dk]

if it was me id just replace it if its done it once it will go again, once its replaced it will be fine

 

[dangriff540]

if it was me id just replace it if its done it once it will go again, once its replaced it will be fine

Yeah that was my original thoughts when mechanic said it should lube itself up again. Hopefully hes coming to change it over tomorrow so should be good then!