Facelift mirrors fitted.....
- Thread starter scottie123
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yes A never supported the wing mirror side repeater hence the new control unit does and A didn't support the new type folding mirror
anyway back to these indicators
you can try either wiring the new mirrors into the control units pins and recode the door control units for wing mirror indicators and see if they work or wire direct
as nhn has mentioned there may be a difference in the voltage so if you wire into the control unit and connect vcds select output test for drivers door
the indicator should work and i think this will be a duty cycle signal of 5 volts on
you can then check your existing wiring from j519 by turning the indicator on and connecting a multimeter or scope and see what voltage that puts out
you don't wont 12 volts going to the led as it might blow it
i don't know the exact voltage but its worth checking just in case
its a case of trying it out and see what happens
anyway back to these indicators
you can try either wiring the new mirrors into the control units pins and recode the door control units for wing mirror indicators and see if they work or wire direct
as nhn has mentioned there may be a difference in the voltage so if you wire into the control unit and connect vcds select output test for drivers door
the indicator should work and i think this will be a duty cycle signal of 5 volts on
you can then check your existing wiring from j519 by turning the indicator on and connecting a multimeter or scope and see what voltage that puts out
you don't wont 12 volts going to the led as it might blow it
i don't know the exact voltage but its worth checking just in case
its a case of trying it out and see what happens
just check the these and change the wiring if needed
if you mean the indicators then yes they may work without altering anything as long as the door control units are coded for them
double check the pin-outs first for all the rest of the wires as the mirror loom is part of the new mirrors, so should just plug straight into the door control unit without any pin changes me thinks
pin outs 2004 and 2008 onwards
Connectors, door control unit, driver side -J386
20-pin connector (supply, lock)
1 - Mirror dip input signal 1 (EC mirror +)
2 - CL motor SAFE
3 - CL feedback locked/safe
4 - CL outside door handle
5- Vacant
6- Vacant
7 - CL terminal 31
8 - CAN - High
9 - CAN - Low
10 - Mirror dip input signal 2 (EC mirror -)
11 - CL motor SAFE/lock
12 - CL terminal 30
13 - CL keyswitch close/open
14- Vacant
15 - CL door contact switch
16 - CL motor unlock
17- Vacant
18 - WL enable, terminal 87 (vacant)
19 - WL terminal 31
20 - WL terminal 30
16-pin connector (exterior mirrors)
1 - Mirror status position X (only with seat memory fitted)
2 - Mirror terminal 31, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
3 - Mirror supply, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
4 - Mirror adjustment motor Y-direction
5 - Mirror adjustment motor X/Y-direction
6- Vacant
7 - Mirror heating
8 - Mirror dip output signal 1 (EC mirror +)
9 - Mirror status position Y (only with seat memory fitted)
10- Vacant
11 - Mirror terminal 31
12 - Mirror adjustment motor X-direction
13- Vacant
14 - Mirror folding motor -
15 - Mirror folding motor +
16 - Mirror dip output signal 2 (EC mirror -)
32-pin connector (to door trim)
1 - BE - Exit/warning lamp
2 - BE - Terminal 31 (2) (AWL)
3 - BF - Window lifter button rear right
4 - BE - Terminal 31 (1) (AWL)
5 - CL SAFE LED
6 - BE - Terminal 58b (1)
7 - BF - Interior locking button (LOCK/UNLOCK)
8 - BF - Window lifter button front right (local)
9- Vacant
10 - Memory button + emergency off button (only with seat memory fitted)
11 - Memory position buttons (only with seat memory fitted)
12 - BF - Tailgate remote release button (only in 5-door, USA)
13 - Alarm system Off button (tilt sensor inactive)
14 - BE - Interior door handle illumination
15- Vacant
16 - Status LED button for interior monitoring (deactivate interior monitoring)
17 - Status LED button for alarm system off (deactivate tilt sensor)
18 - CL - Inside door handle (not implemented)
19 - BF - Mirror adjustment L/R
20 - BF - Mirror adjustment X/Y
21 - BF - Window lifter button rear right (local)
22 - BE - Terminal 58b (2) (mirror adjuster switch)
23 - BE - Terminal 58b (3) (mirror/stowage illumination)
24 - BF - Window lifter button front left (local)
25- Vacant
26 - BF - Child lock
27 - Memory supply terminal 30
28 - BF - Button for tank lid unlock
29 - BF - Mirror heating
30 - Button for interior monitoring
31 - LED - Interior locking button (LOCK)
32 - LED - Child lock button
Connectors, door control unit, driver side -J386
(from model year '08)
20-pin connector (supply, lock)
1 - Mirror dip input signal 1 (EC mirror +)
2 - CL motor SAFE
3 - CL feedback locked/safe
4 - Not used
5 - Not used
6 - CL terminal 31
7 - CL door contact switch
8 - CAN High
9 - CAN Low
10 - Mirror dip input signal 2 (EC mirror -)
11 - CL SAFE LED
12 - CL motor SAFE/lock
13 - CL motor unlock
14 - Not used
15 - LIN
16 - CL keyswitch open/close
17 - Not used
18 - CL terminal 30
19 - WL terminal 31
20 - WL terminal 30
16-pin connector (exterior mirrors)
1 - Not used
2 - Not used
3 - Not used
4 - Mirror adjustment motor Y-direction
5 - Mirror adjustment motor X/Y-direction
6 - Not used
7 - Mirror heating
8 - Mirror dip output signal 1 (EC mirror +)
9 - Not used
10 - Not used
11 - Mirror terminal 31
12 - Mirror adjustment motor X-direction
13 - Mirror indicator (rate action)
14 - Mirror folding motor -
15 - Mirror folding motor +
16 - Mirror dip output signal 2 (EC mirror -)
32-pin connector (to door trim)
1 - Status LED - Interior locking button
2 - Not used
3 - Status LED - Child lock button
4 - Status LED button for interior monitoring (deactivate interior monitoring)
5 - Status LED button for alarm system off (deactivate tilt sensor)
6 - BF - Mirror adjustment L/R
7 - BF - Window lifter button rear right, driver
8 - BF - Mirror adjustment X/Y
9 - Not used
10 - Alarm system Off button (tilt sensor inactive)
11 - Not used
12 - Not used
13 - BF - Button for tank lid unlock
14 - BF - Child lock button
15 - BF - Window lifter button front right, driver
16 - Not used
17 - BE - Interior door handle illumination
18 - BE - Door exit/warning lamp
19 - BE - terminal 31
20 - Not used
21 - BF - terminal 31
22 - Not used
23 - BF - Window lifter button rear left, driver
24 - BE - terminal 58b
25 - BE - terminal 58b
26 - BE - Switch/stowage compartment illumination
27 - Button for interior monitoring
28 - Not used
29 - Not used
30 - BF - Tailgate remote release button (only in 5-door, USA)
31 - BF - Window lifter button front left, driver
32 - BF - Interior locking button (LOCK/UNLOCK)
if you mean the indicators then yes they may work without altering anything as long as the door control units are coded for them
double check the pin-outs first for all the rest of the wires as the mirror loom is part of the new mirrors, so should just plug straight into the door control unit without any pin changes me thinks
pin outs 2004 and 2008 onwards
Connectors, door control unit, driver side -J386
20-pin connector (supply, lock)
1 - Mirror dip input signal 1 (EC mirror +)
2 - CL motor SAFE
3 - CL feedback locked/safe
4 - CL outside door handle
5- Vacant
6- Vacant
7 - CL terminal 31
8 - CAN - High
9 - CAN - Low
10 - Mirror dip input signal 2 (EC mirror -)
11 - CL motor SAFE/lock
12 - CL terminal 30
13 - CL keyswitch close/open
14- Vacant
15 - CL door contact switch
16 - CL motor unlock
17- Vacant
18 - WL enable, terminal 87 (vacant)
19 - WL terminal 31
20 - WL terminal 30
16-pin connector (exterior mirrors)
1 - Mirror status position X (only with seat memory fitted)
2 - Mirror terminal 31, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
3 - Mirror supply, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
4 - Mirror adjustment motor Y-direction
5 - Mirror adjustment motor X/Y-direction
6- Vacant
7 - Mirror heating
8 - Mirror dip output signal 1 (EC mirror +)
9 - Mirror status position Y (only with seat memory fitted)
10- Vacant
11 - Mirror terminal 31
12 - Mirror adjustment motor X-direction
13- Vacant
14 - Mirror folding motor -
15 - Mirror folding motor +
16 - Mirror dip output signal 2 (EC mirror -)
32-pin connector (to door trim)
1 - BE - Exit/warning lamp
2 - BE - Terminal 31 (2) (AWL)
3 - BF - Window lifter button rear right
4 - BE - Terminal 31 (1) (AWL)
5 - CL SAFE LED
6 - BE - Terminal 58b (1)
7 - BF - Interior locking button (LOCK/UNLOCK)
8 - BF - Window lifter button front right (local)
9- Vacant
10 - Memory button + emergency off button (only with seat memory fitted)
11 - Memory position buttons (only with seat memory fitted)
12 - BF - Tailgate remote release button (only in 5-door, USA)
13 - Alarm system Off button (tilt sensor inactive)
14 - BE - Interior door handle illumination
15- Vacant
16 - Status LED button for interior monitoring (deactivate interior monitoring)
17 - Status LED button for alarm system off (deactivate tilt sensor)
18 - CL - Inside door handle (not implemented)
19 - BF - Mirror adjustment L/R
20 - BF - Mirror adjustment X/Y
21 - BF - Window lifter button rear right (local)
22 - BE - Terminal 58b (2) (mirror adjuster switch)
23 - BE - Terminal 58b (3) (mirror/stowage illumination)
24 - BF - Window lifter button front left (local)
25- Vacant
26 - BF - Child lock
27 - Memory supply terminal 30
28 - BF - Button for tank lid unlock
29 - BF - Mirror heating
30 - Button for interior monitoring
31 - LED - Interior locking button (LOCK)
32 - LED - Child lock button
Connectors, door control unit, driver side -J386
(from model year '08)
20-pin connector (supply, lock)
1 - Mirror dip input signal 1 (EC mirror +)
2 - CL motor SAFE
3 - CL feedback locked/safe
4 - Not used
5 - Not used
6 - CL terminal 31
7 - CL door contact switch
8 - CAN High
9 - CAN Low
10 - Mirror dip input signal 2 (EC mirror -)
11 - CL SAFE LED
12 - CL motor SAFE/lock
13 - CL motor unlock
14 - Not used
15 - LIN
16 - CL keyswitch open/close
17 - Not used
18 - CL terminal 30
19 - WL terminal 31
20 - WL terminal 30
16-pin connector (exterior mirrors)
1 - Not used
2 - Not used
3 - Not used
4 - Mirror adjustment motor Y-direction
5 - Mirror adjustment motor X/Y-direction
6 - Not used
7 - Mirror heating
8 - Mirror dip output signal 1 (EC mirror +)
9 - Not used
10 - Not used
11 - Mirror terminal 31
12 - Mirror adjustment motor X-direction
13 - Mirror indicator (rate action)
14 - Mirror folding motor -
15 - Mirror folding motor +
16 - Mirror dip output signal 2 (EC mirror -)
32-pin connector (to door trim)
1 - Status LED - Interior locking button
2 - Not used
3 - Status LED - Child lock button
4 - Status LED button for interior monitoring (deactivate interior monitoring)
5 - Status LED button for alarm system off (deactivate tilt sensor)
6 - BF - Mirror adjustment L/R
7 - BF - Window lifter button rear right, driver
8 - BF - Mirror adjustment X/Y
9 - Not used
10 - Alarm system Off button (tilt sensor inactive)
11 - Not used
12 - Not used
13 - BF - Button for tank lid unlock
14 - BF - Child lock button
15 - BF - Window lifter button front right, driver
16 - Not used
17 - BE - Interior door handle illumination
18 - BE - Door exit/warning lamp
19 - BE - terminal 31
20 - Not used
21 - BF - terminal 31
22 - Not used
23 - BF - Window lifter button rear left, driver
24 - BE - terminal 58b
25 - BE - terminal 58b
26 - BE - Switch/stowage compartment illumination
27 - Button for interior monitoring
28 - Not used
29 - Not used
30 - BF - Tailgate remote release button (only in 5-door, USA)
31 - BF - Window lifter button front left, driver
32 - BF - Interior locking button (LOCK/UNLOCK)
To use the facelift modules you have to rewire the 20 & 32 pin connectors that plug into the door module, the 16 pin from the mirror itself doenst need any rewiring, just plug in as is, dont bother using wing wiring, do it properly to save any issues later & dont forget to code the modules for the led's.
are the also for a 2007 sportback
because i have problems with my exit doorlights at the passenger and drivers side.
both doors in the back are working fine
pin outs 2004 and 2008 onwards
Connectors, door control unit, driver side -J386
20-pin connector (supply, lock)
1 - Mirror dip input signal 1 (EC mirror +)
2 - CL motor SAFE
3 - CL feedback locked/safe
4 - CL outside door handle
5- Vacant
6- Vacant
7 - CL terminal 31
8 - CAN - High
9 - CAN - Low
10 - Mirror dip input signal 2 (EC mirror -)
11 - CL motor SAFE/lock
12 - CL terminal 30
13 - CL keyswitch close/open
14- Vacant
15 - CL door contact switch
16 - CL motor unlock
17- Vacant
18 - WL enable, terminal 87 (vacant)
19 - WL terminal 31
20 - WL terminal 30
16-pin connector (exterior mirrors)
1 - Mirror status position X (only with seat memory fitted)
2 - Mirror terminal 31, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
3 - Mirror supply, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
4 - Mirror adjustment motor Y-direction
5 - Mirror adjustment motor X/Y-direction
6- Vacant
7 - Mirror heating
8 - Mirror dip output signal 1 (EC mirror +)
9 - Mirror status position Y (only with seat memory fitted)
10- Vacant
11 - Mirror terminal 31
12 - Mirror adjustment motor X-direction
13- Vacant
14 - Mirror folding motor -
15 - Mirror folding motor +
16 - Mirror dip output signal 2 (EC mirror -)
32-pin connector (to door trim)
1 - BE - Exit/warning lamp
2 - BE - Terminal 31 (2) (AWL)
3 - BF - Window lifter button rear right
4 - BE - Terminal 31 (1) (AWL)
5 - CL SAFE LED
6 - BE - Terminal 58b (1)
7 - BF - Interior locking button (LOCK/UNLOCK)
8 - BF - Window lifter button front right (local)
9- Vacant
10 - Memory button + emergency off button (only with seat memory fitted)
11 - Memory position buttons (only with seat memory fitted)
12 - BF - Tailgate remote release button (only in 5-door, USA)
13 - Alarm system Off button (tilt sensor inactive)
14 - BE - Interior door handle illumination
15- Vacant
16 - Status LED button for interior monitoring (deactivate interior monitoring)
17 - Status LED button for alarm system off (deactivate tilt sensor)
18 - CL - Inside door handle (not implemented)
19 - BF - Mirror adjustment L/R
20 - BF - Mirror adjustment X/Y
21 - BF - Window lifter button rear right (local)
22 - BE - Terminal 58b (2) (mirror adjuster switch)
23 - BE - Terminal 58b (3) (mirror/stowage illumination)
24 - BF - Window lifter button front left (local)
25- Vacant
26 - BF - Child lock
27 - Memory supply terminal 30
28 - BF - Button for tank lid unlock
29 - BF - Mirror heating
30 - Button for interior monitoring
31 - LED - Interior locking button (LOCK)
32 - LED - Child lock button
because i have problems with my exit doorlights at the passenger and drivers side.
both doors in the back are working fine
pin outs 2004 and 2008 onwards
Connectors, door control unit, driver side -J386
20-pin connector (supply, lock)
1 - Mirror dip input signal 1 (EC mirror +)
2 - CL motor SAFE
3 - CL feedback locked/safe
4 - CL outside door handle
5- Vacant
6- Vacant
7 - CL terminal 31
8 - CAN - High
9 - CAN - Low
10 - Mirror dip input signal 2 (EC mirror -)
11 - CL motor SAFE/lock
12 - CL terminal 30
13 - CL keyswitch close/open
14- Vacant
15 - CL door contact switch
16 - CL motor unlock
17- Vacant
18 - WL enable, terminal 87 (vacant)
19 - WL terminal 31
20 - WL terminal 30
16-pin connector (exterior mirrors)
1 - Mirror status position X (only with seat memory fitted)
2 - Mirror terminal 31, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
3 - Mirror supply, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
4 - Mirror adjustment motor Y-direction
5 - Mirror adjustment motor X/Y-direction
6- Vacant
7 - Mirror heating
8 - Mirror dip output signal 1 (EC mirror +)
9 - Mirror status position Y (only with seat memory fitted)
10- Vacant
11 - Mirror terminal 31
12 - Mirror adjustment motor X-direction
13- Vacant
14 - Mirror folding motor -
15 - Mirror folding motor +
16 - Mirror dip output signal 2 (EC mirror -)
32-pin connector (to door trim)
1 - BE - Exit/warning lamp
2 - BE - Terminal 31 (2) (AWL)
3 - BF - Window lifter button rear right
4 - BE - Terminal 31 (1) (AWL)
5 - CL SAFE LED
6 - BE - Terminal 58b (1)
7 - BF - Interior locking button (LOCK/UNLOCK)
8 - BF - Window lifter button front right (local)
9- Vacant
10 - Memory button + emergency off button (only with seat memory fitted)
11 - Memory position buttons (only with seat memory fitted)
12 - BF - Tailgate remote release button (only in 5-door, USA)
13 - Alarm system Off button (tilt sensor inactive)
14 - BE - Interior door handle illumination
15- Vacant
16 - Status LED button for interior monitoring (deactivate interior monitoring)
17 - Status LED button for alarm system off (deactivate tilt sensor)
18 - CL - Inside door handle (not implemented)
19 - BF - Mirror adjustment L/R
20 - BF - Mirror adjustment X/Y
21 - BF - Window lifter button rear right (local)
22 - BE - Terminal 58b (2) (mirror adjuster switch)
23 - BE - Terminal 58b (3) (mirror/stowage illumination)
24 - BF - Window lifter button front left (local)
25- Vacant
26 - BF - Child lock
27 - Memory supply terminal 30
28 - BF - Button for tank lid unlock
29 - BF - Mirror heating
30 - Button for interior monitoring
31 - LED - Interior locking button (LOCK)
32 - LED - Child lock button
Welcome to the site.
You need to tell us what you've done 1st, have you swapped modules, upgraded etc.
You need to tell us what you've done 1st, have you swapped modules, upgraded etc.
your right NHN
so what i did,
i didnt swap any modules..it was a upgrade.
both doors in the back i changed out the cable for a (all original audi parts)cable with the upgrade option inside door handle light and de door exit lights
The door on the driversside and the passengerside are giving me a problems.
everything works beside the door handle lights and the exit lights.
the module in the drivers side is the 8P0 959 801H
so what i did,
i didnt swap any modules..it was a upgrade.
both doors in the back i changed out the cable for a (all original audi parts)cable with the upgrade option inside door handle light and de door exit lights
The door on the driversside and the passengerside are giving me a problems.
everything works beside the door handle lights and the exit lights.
the module in the drivers side is the 8P0 959 801H
yes i did coded with vagcom and everything works no errors also not from the modules in the front doors (drivers/passengerside)
If you've coded your fronts aswell & they dont work, then check your ground wiring as on some of these they were shared & possibly linked to the wrong pins.
Ok i will check that, so if i unstand it correctly for both 32 pin connector.
the pen settings i have to use are these
Pin no. : Discription
1 : for the Exit/warning lamp
2 : mass
14 : interior door lamp
regarding the mass both the exit/warning lamp and the interior door handle lamp are joint to mass wire?
and these pin settings will work on a 2007 audi a3 sportbak
I DID IT lol
Thanks to HNH and etka i solved the problem now to write a good how to so i wont forget what i did.
So now on to the next project(s)
Thanks to HNH and etka i solved the problem now to write a good how to so i wont forget what i did.
So now on to the next project(s)
