Ouch! But a testament to the engineering of the cabin!

RichardT

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Ouch, Looks like he didn't know that road very well as he should have been braking a lot earlier. Luckily they got away with it.
Or maybe not going so fast in the first place. Amazing no one was hurt. That could have been so much worse - really stupid behaviour.
 

mikemod

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Circuit de Chimay, looks like he missed the turn at the top left :scared2:

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Mark_86

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Oooo... bet that left a bruise. You see him apply the brakes as he turns right going up the hill (gets a wobble on), it's at that point he realised he'd f*cked up.
 

Carefree69

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Idiot.

I cut idiots like him from cars at least once a tour. No sympathy whatsoever.

I don't give a stuff what happens to people who excessively speed, it's the innocent victims I care about.

I realise that this was on a track, but the principle is the same.
 

surfer8210

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Idiot.

I cut idiots like him from cars at least once a tour. No sympathy whatsoever.

I don't give a stuff what happens to people who excessively speed, it's the innocent victims I care about.

I realise that this was on a track, but the principle is the same.

Once a shift..!?
That's a lot of tool work, where are you located that you're this busy?
Also, do you find the cutting to be any more difficult on Audis; as some auto makers are utilizing more exotic and harder to cut metals?


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Carefree69

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Once a tour (a tour being 2 x days and then 2 x nights).

Perhaps not exactly once every tour, but certainly on a regular basis.

I wouldn’t say that Audi’s/VW/Mercedes etc are any harder to cut than others but it is very apparent that these types of cars are much better built than others.

One of the most challenging cars to cut and/or spread are Smart cars, but even then the Holmatro tools we use are more than up to the job.
 

surfer8210

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Once a tour (a tour being 2 x days and then 2 x nights).

Perhaps not exactly once every tour, but certainly on a regular basis.

I wouldn’t say that Audi’s/VW/Mercedes etc are any harder to cut than others but it is very apparent that these types of cars are much better built than others.

One of the most challenging cars to cut and/or spread are Smart cars, but even then the Holmatro tools we use are more than up to the job.

Yeah, that was going to be my next question as far as what type of tool you used.
I was in a FD Truck company and found it very interesting and a challenge to gain knowledge regarding the different models with exotic metals that use and where they're strategically placed.
The other half of the challenge was locating the battery on the vehicle as that's the first thing you really want to tackle. Everything becomes much much safer once that is taken out of the equation.


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surfer8210

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Once a tour (a tour being 2 x days and then 2 x nights).

Perhaps not exactly once every tour, but certainly on a regular basis.

I wouldn’t say that Audi’s/VW/Mercedes etc are any harder to cut than others but it is very apparent that these types of cars are much better built than others.

One of the most challenging cars to cut and/or spread are Smart cars, but even then the Holmatro tools we use are more than up to the job.

I agree with the cocoon like life saving qualities of these vehicles also.
Mercedes, Audi, Volvo, are all good examples.
There's a video floating around on You Tube of a Benz on the Autobahn wrecking at about 160mph, when the car finally comes to a rest after somersaulting too many times to count; there's an eerie minute of no activity and silence and then the occupant amazingly is able to climb out.


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Carefree69

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Yeah, that was going to be my next question as far as what type of tool you used.
I was in a FD Truck company and found it very interesting and a challenge to gain knowledge regarding the different models with exotic metals that use and where they're strategically placed.
The other half of the challenge was locating the battery on the vehicle as that's the first thing you really want to tackle. Everything becomes much much safer once that is taken out of the equation.


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Literally the first thing when on scene at an rta is to disconnect the battery (to lessen the chance of any airbag going off whist crews are working inside etc) and luckily our trucks are fitted with MDT’s (mobile data terminals) which can provide us with very valuable vehicle information. For instance, if you want to know where the battery is located (BMW generally have them in the boot) or where all the airbags are on a certain make of car.

The MDT will give you various ‘see through’ views of the particular make that you want info on, and show you pretty much where all the important parts of that car are located (airbags, batteries, seat belt tensioners etc).
 
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Carefree69

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Modern cars have made it trickier I’ll admit, however before ANY cutting or spreading is carried out we do what’s called a ‘peel and reveal’ on the car(s) involved.

Basically a peel and reveal is exactly what it says it is, we peel (remove) any interior trim that is likely to conceal any dangers to us (fire crews) and any trapped persons. For instance, seat belt tensioners or airbags etc.

Once revealed we know exactly where we can make the relevant cuts etc.

As for a car battery we tend not to cut the power we just simply disconnect it.
 
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surfer8210

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Modern cars have made it trickier I’ll admit, however before ANY cutting or spreading is carried out we do what’s called a ‘peel and reveal’ on the car(s) involved.

Basically a peel and reveal is exactly what it says it is, we peel (remove) any interior trim that is likely to conceal any dangers to us (fire crews) and any trapped persons. For instance, seat belt tensioners or airbags etc.

Once revealed we know exactly where we can make the relevant cuts etc.

As for a car battery we tend not to cut the power we just simply disconnect it.

Interesting approach!


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surfer8210

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Is it much different in the States?

Not so much that it's a different approach, I myself never want to use tools such as s halogen or other hand tools to start exposing innards simply because there's just so much uncertainty as to what might set into motion some unwanted consequences.
I believe that although we use many similar techniques each crew or even individual will have their own personal approach.
It's never a level playing field as each "tool job" presents it own unique set of circumstances.



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Carefree69

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All we do is remove trim (A,B pillars etc) to expose anything which might present a danger to us when cutting etc.

The alternative to cutting blind doesn’t bear thinking about, hence why we do it.

Whilst each individual or crew might have their own approach we still follow a prescribed set of procedures at rta’s or fires etc and any freelancing in the LFB is rightly frowned upon.
 

surfer8210

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All we do is remove trim (A,B pillars etc) to expose anything which might present a danger to us when cutting etc.

The alternative to cutting blind doesn’t bear thinking about, hence why we do it.

Whilst each individual or crew might have their own approach we still follow a prescribed set of procedures at rta’s or fires etc and any freelancing in the LFB is rightly frowned upon.

Of course, consistency in training using similar approaches will get everyone onto the same page as far as what expectations are in regards to actions although creativity and new ideas I feel should be encouraged but not when it brings about 'freelancing'.!!


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