The word "Hero"

[phoenixv6quattro]

FELLAS!
Who gives a f*ck!!! Go and have a cup of tea or a wa*k!!!

 

[Staz]

I have to admit the crap hat joke is lost on me

 

[mitch78]

Think berets. Red and green are good, rest crap.

 

[Staz]

Nope never heard of that but according to this you're right. Guys with those colour berets just call everyone else 'Hats'. I currently work with 3 booties (commando trained soldiers) though so I'll ask them tomorrow.

 

[phoenixv6quattro]

Crap Hat/Origination of.......The saying comes from the First Regiment of foot Guards(aka Grenadier Guards, Welsh Guards....All the Guards regiments including the Household Cav) Due to the forage caps they wear in drill order and the Bearskin they wear on parade they believe anything but a Bearskin or a forage cap is a "Crap Hat". It originated in the 1960's (ish). It is more or less the same as the saying "chippy" which means a chip off the old block. This also comes from the Guards regiments due to them being the oldest regiment (fighting foot regiment) in the British Army. Believe it or not they also refer to Royal Marines and the Parachute Regiment as crap hats too. Due to the army being very clicky and reasonably close knit the saying has spread wide to all regiments and is typically used when slagging other regiments off. End of message!

 

[Shades]

Thanks, nice background info, but I'd like to see some cannon fodder call a para or commando a crap hat... especially with a few of each... in a bar... after a few beers! LOL

"Pass me the peanuts, this could get interesting!"

 

[Staz]

Hmm strange that it originated from the guards and then now it's marines/paras.

I asked one lad today and here was the conversation:

Me: You know when you call someone a 'Hat'?

Him: Yeah?

Me: Does it come from 'Crap Hat'?

Him: YOU'RE a crap hat.

Answered my question I think.

 

[jojo]

 

[phoenixv6quattro]

Shades, it used to happen all the time in Aldershot. Great boredom beater/very entertaining. Pop into aldershot next time the Paras/Guards are in town. Cannon fodder is a term used to describe any infantry regiment(as much as I hate)as they are the first to cross the LOD(thats line of departure Shades).. Its an extremely offensive word to ANY infantry soldier when used by a civvy. Thanks for that Shades, nice of you......Staz, no its not strange. When the Paras were first formed it was predominantly Guards that made up the ranks, and capt Stirling (also a guard) concieved the SAS(cannon fodder according to you Shades). The term crap hat is often used by bods that simply think it only means the reciever of the insult has a sh*t beret/cap badge, but a lot of the lads don't know where it came from. I know because I had to sit in hours of boll*x when I was in the glass house(regimental/army history etc). The padre who was taking the lesson had been in the army since 1979! So think he would know. I even checked it out in the Library in Aldershot coz I wasnt sure on it. Checked out sure enough. Cheers lads!

 

[Shades]

Shades, it used to happen all the time in Aldershot. Great boredom beater/very entertaining. Pop into aldershot next time the Paras/Guards are in town.

Err, no thank you! LOL My family member keeps saying I'll have to go out for a drink with him and a few lads from the Reg. So far I've managed to avoid it!

Cannon fodder is a term used to describe any infantry regiment(as much as I hate)as they are the first to cross the LOD(thats line of departure Shades).. Its an extremely offensive word to ANY infantry soldier when used by a civvy. Thanks for that Shades, nice of you......

My apologies, I didn't realise it was offensive although It may have slightly lost its meaning as no soldier I've known has been offended by it... and there was even an Amiga game in the 90's called Cannon Fodder, so it can't be that offensive:

Cannon Fodder (music video) and no-one got up in arms about that!

 

[martyboy]

FELLAS!
Who gives a f*ck!!! Go and have a cup of tea or a wa*k!!!

had both, a cup of tea and a walk and i feel much better! thanks!

 

[martyboy]

Err, no thank you! LOL My family member keeps saying I'll have to go out for a drink with him and a few lads from the Reg. So far I've managed to avoid it!

My apologies, I didn't realise it was offensive although It may have slightly lost its meaning as no soldier I've known has been offended by it... and there was even an Amiga game in the 90's called Cannon Fodder, so it can't be that offensive:

Cannon Fodder (music video) and no-one got up in arms about that!

how very brave of you, dont think we'll ever need to worry about the term hero being mis-used on you!

and who gives you the right to determine what is offensive to others?

ps. @mitch78
i am not a serving member of the armed forces in afghanistan, therefore would not class myself as a hero. try reading the posts first!

:thumbsup:

 

[Shades]

how very brave of you, dont think we'll ever need to worry about the term hero being mis-used on you!

 

[martyboy]

im sure you are!

 

[phoenixv6quattro]

Shades. How many soldiers do you know? You probably couldnt count them on one hand, no half a hand. Stop pretending you know what the crack is because you don't. Just because one of your"family members"(why the secrecy,its no big deal just say your bro or your cousin etc, he's in the army not 22!!!)is in the army. The game you very rudely made me aware of was made in the 90's. Bods were not getting shot to bits and blown up when that game was released. Thats why they have more appropriate names now. Of the 1000+ lads I know in the forces were called that by joe civvy they would recieve something that would make them haemorhage, because you are calling their muckers that died for them just "cannon fodder". You have over stepped the mark trying to talk about something you know very little about. So pack it in. Or more people on this forum will condider you a......guess.

 

[Pat J]

Further to this please do not forget that as well as members of the Army, there are lads and lasses from the other services being killed over there as well !! Just because we all wear the same colour uniform we're not all Army. Yes there is lots of banter about what colour hat we wear but the bombs don't discriminate !!
And yes I am a current serving member of the Forces and was involved in the first Gulf war in '91 and half my unit is currently in theatre at the moment and will be for quite a lengh of time because we are a specialist unit so we are back and forwards regularly.
In my opinion and if you want to know who the heros are go to the National Memorial Arboretum off the A38 at Alfrewas and read the names on the walls there it will be an eye opener for you.

Just my thoughts.

At the end of the day the definition of 'HERO' is how you define it yourself, but just think you probably know someone who's on that wall. I do !! my best mate through training is on there !!!

 

[Shades]

How many soldiers do you know? You probably couldnt count them on one hand, no half a hand. Stop pretending you know what the crack is because you don't. Just because one of your"family members"(why the secrecy,its no big deal just say your bro or your cousin etc, he's in the army not 22!!!)is in the army.

Who are you to presume who or what I do and don't know, you know nothing about me so do not assume to do so. I could make wild assumptions about you too, but I don't because I don't know you. I happen to know enough people who are or have been in the armed services (there are more members of my family that have also served, not just the one). I also know plenty of soldiers both socially and people I grew up with who are now serving.

Also, of my family member, you have absolutely no idea what he has done during his career or with whom he has served. I, on the other hand do, so the level of details I choose to give is my choice and absolutely none of your business!

The game you very rudely made me aware of was made in the 90's. Bods were not getting shot to bits and blown up when that game was released.

Besides the 38 British military personel killed in the Gulf War, I'm sure the families of Stephen Beacham, Stephen Burrows, Vincent Scott, Cyril Smith, David Sweeney, Paul Worrall, Michael Beswick, Stephen Restorick, Lawrence Dickson, Michael Newman, Charles Chapman, Andrew Grundy, Terence ONeill, Graham Stewart, David Wilson, R Coulson, Robert Davies, Michael Dillon-Lee, Anthony Harrison, John Randall, Peter Sullivan, John McMaster, Kevin Pullin, Damian Shackleton, Paul Turner, Simon Ware, Philip Cross, Daniel Blinco and Paul Garrett, would beg to differ with you on that one! For someone in the military you should really check your military history!

If you'd get off your high horse for a moment you will realise that I apologised for using the term "Cannon Fodder" but I think that nearly 200 years after the term was first coined its meaning has changed over the years...

Cannon fodder is an informal term for military personnel who are regarded or treated as expendable in the face of enemy fire. The term is generally used in situations where soldiers are forced to deliberately fight against hopeless odds (with the foreknowledge that they will suffer extremely high casualties) in an effort to achieve a strategic goal. An example is the trench warfare in World War I. The term may also be used (somewhat pejoratively) to differentiate infantry from other forces (such as artillery, air force or the navy), who generally have a much higher survival rate.

As such no soldier that I personally know has ever been offended by it and anyway, I would probably not call anybody I do not know well enough it either. It was merely used a term to refer to differentiate between two different "classes" of soldier, perhaps I should have used Crap Hat Vs Para instead? No offence was intended to an particular individual. I think that by now if a soldier found it soooooooo offensive 1 person of the British Army rosta of 131,100 people would have changed that outrageous statement on Wikipedia!

Anyways, can we drop this now? I think the post by Pat should put this way off-topic disagreement into perspective...

"Bombs don't discriminate"

Well said Pat.

 

[phoenixv6quattro]

Shades. Your a joke. Join the circus.

Pat. Cheers for that/Congratulations. Go to the naffi and treat yourself to some Haribo.

Think i'll just stick to my car specific forum now.

Bye Gents (and the clown).

 

[Shades]

pheonixv6quattro. You're a tool. Get back in your box.