Which Porsche brakes To use?

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Looking at brakes which Porsche calipers can I use with which disc I want plug in and play type was looking at tt rs but mixed reviews on them say to hevy and lots of fading ?
 
alright mate
the best ones to use are the Porsche six piston Cayenne callipers, this are pretty hard to find second hand and dont bolt straight on, youll need to get some custom mounts made and then the slight issue of discs, if your sourcing parts separately

ECS do a full conversion kit for the Porsche calliper, sold through awesome gti:

Awesome - ECS Stage 5 Big Brake Kit A3 8P/Mk5
 
A caliper change is a cost effective solution,but those things are as you say,pretty heavy.

I know from your other thread that you have plans for a BT etc,and I really wouldn't bother with anything less than a proper brake kit,such as AP,Alcon or VWRacing.

None of those are cheap,but they DO work,and they don't fade,and it isn't worth stinting on brakes or suspension,when you can get far more out of a Stg2+ car properly sorted,than an unruly Stg3 without proper brakes.
 
What do you think that kit or the tt rs kit?
 
j7yob123 said:
What do you think that kit or the tt rs kit?
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The TT-RS kit is basically a set of Brembo brakes,and is a good set of brakes,but will cost you a similar amount to those I've already mentioned.

The AP kit I can vouch for,as I had a set of those on the ex GpN Escort I had,and the VWR kit is as good as that,but both are cheaper than the Alcon kit(which I can also vouch for,having run those on a 440bhp Sierra).

What you want is something reliable,effective,and not prone to fade,and you should expect to pay anywhere from £1500 up to be honest.

The route I took was to get the simple remaps done first,and then sort out the chassis and brakes before going anywhere near a BT setup,but whatever way you do this,I think that both Jungleman and myself have given you an idea of the costs involved....
 
audi upgrades
thx for all info guys cars booked in for engine mods first going in on the 20th then i will see how clutch and brakes hold up if not too well as im expecting will get clutch and brakes done together
 
j7yob123 said:
thx for all info guys cars booked in for engine mods first going in on the 20th then i will see how clutch and brakes hold up if not too well as im expecting will get clutch and brakes done together
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Good luck with that.

Where are you getting it done?...if it's AMD Essex,Shaun and the guys will look after your car very well.

If you're going to Stg2 or 2+,the clutch will fail fairly quickly.
 
ECS stage 5 Callipers are the same Callipers from the touareg ,
why not try running some better pads first?or if you are flush why not try the b7 rs4 set up as this is easily available as a bolt on kit for around 1800 euros,
N8, did one of your relations get a carrera gt kit from Dave B??
 
martinivw said:
ECS stage 5 Callipers are the same Callipers from the touareg ,
why not try running some better pads first?or if you are flush why not try the b7 rs4 set up as this is easily available as a bolt on kit for around 1800 euros,
N8, did one of your relations get a carrera gt kit from Dave B??
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I'd only have afew things to say on that!.....changing the pads may give you better initial bite,but it won't get around fade and heat build-up,and the OEM discs and calipers add up to an awful lot of pig iron.

I would personally avoid EBC pads having tried these as a stop-gap to a decent brake system,as they contributed nothing except an annoying squeal,and gave no improvement in braking efficiency at all......Pagid and Ferodo would be better choices,IF you can find the right sizes.

I'd still plant my money on either the VWR or AP kits as I'd said earlier,and both of these track tested kits are going to cost about the same as the ECS kit you mentioned.
 
martinivw said:
ECS stage 5 Callipers are the same Callipers from the touareg ,
why not try running some better pads first?or if you are flush why not try the b7 rs4 set up as this is easily available as a bolt on kit for around 1800 euros,
N8, did one of your relations get a carrera gt kit from Dave B??
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the problem with running the rs4 setup is discs, you can use TTRS discs but they are known for being a bit rubbish!
 
s2alex yes amd im going to i will let you know how it comes out i did mention clutch ut they said it might me fine i said i will change if not anyway as ive alowed for this in my spendind will be going stright to stage 2+ from standed
 
(i feel like trolling a bit)

why not drive slower?
 
j7yob123 said:
s2alex yes amd im going to i will let you know how it comes out i did mention clutch ut they said it might me fine i said i will change if not anyway as ive alowed for this in my spendind will be going stright to stage 2+ from standed
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Give my regards to Shaun and everyone there....they've got mine in a few weeks time!

The clutch may be OK,but it may not,and as long as you've budgeted for it,you'll be fine....mine lasted a couple of thousand miles before it began to slip,so I wasn't terribly impressed with LUK,whereas the Sachs has surprised me by lasting for well over 20 000 miles and a good bit of that with over 400lbs of torque.
 
s3alex how do you find your turbo conversion? is it the best option to go for?
 
ive already got the intake its a evoms i bought and fitted myself also got the apr fuel pump which they will fit along with pro alloy intercooler turbo back milteck resonated remap and uprated dog mount
 
j7yob123 said:
s3alex how do you find your turbo conversion? is it the best option to go for?
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The good news,if you like,is that the development work has all been done,and AMD can fit you something that will work,and doesn't require all manner of cutting and bending to get it in,which is how the kits from the USA arrive.

There's no questioning the quality of the BSH kit,but it IS very expensive,and still requires some work to get it sorted for an RHD car,and the major plus is the tubular manifold,which GT3Turbo can make up in any case,should you need maximum top end power.

Mine is the ATP kit,which is nicely sorted by AMD and GT3Turbo,and works well...I chose a GT3071 as the thing runs up quicker than a GT 3076,and is more usable in that respect.

Personally,I'm happy with this kit,and those who've had a run in it will vouch for the power over at VAGOC......there are still a couple of mapping issues to be sorted,but that's not a big deal,and the other thing is fuelling,as most of the kits using RS4 injectors do smoke a bit when you hoof it.
That's an injector related thing,and not something you can do much about aside from maybe reducing the fuelling,but that has it's own problems,hence the mapping.

You will need a bigger intercooler,and a good wad of cash...I reckon the thick end of £5-6k all in,excluding brakes,suspension etc.
 
j7yob123 said:
ive already got the intake its a evoms i bought and fitted myself also got the apr fuel pump which they will fit along with pro alloy intercooler turbo back milteck resonated remap and uprated dog mount
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Hi...just saw this post after my long dribbling one below....

The intake should be fine,and you've chosen the best of the intercoolers.....as long as it's not mine they fit to your car!
 
j7yob123 said:
thx for the heads up on what needs to me done
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My pleasure....it's always good to pass on a bit of information and save someone from costly wrong turns if you can,and it's good to find other owners enjoying doing the same things to their poor cars as I did!

I know I've probably said it before,but there are a number of useful build threads on VAGOC which may be useful as well as a lot of pictures of the work being done.
 
what do you tink im gonna get out what im doing next week bhp wise? intake/fuel pump/intercooler/turbo bk/remap
 
and change off subject wy are the h and r anti roll bars avilabe i different size at rear ive seen some at 22mm and some at 26mm?
 
j7yob123 said:
what do you tink im gonna get out what im doing next week bhp wise? intake/fuel pump/intercooler/turbo bk/remap
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At a guess,with the mods and the remap,you should be looking at 350-380bhp

The lower and upper figures are unlikely,but represent minimum and maximum and most of us seem to get around 360+bhp and around the same torque....the only thing in your list that I don't have any experience of is the EVOMS intake,but I see no reason why it shouldn't be fine for Stg2+ levels of airflow.

Above 370-380bhp,the poor old K04 is just about out of puff,as well as being run ragged,and the bigger turbos become a neccessity.
 
j7yob123 said:
and change off subject wy are the h and r anti roll bars avilabe i different size at rear ive seen some at 22mm and some at 26mm?
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Different levels of stiffness(!) depending on how little roll you want at the rear.
 
ah ok so the lower the mm the harder the stiffness?
 
j7yob123 said:
ah ok so the lower the mm the harder the stiffness?
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As Jungleman has said.....increase the diameter and increase the stiffness...I can sense some innuendo here...!
 
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