Can anyone recommend a 'Diesel Tuning Plug in Chip' 2016

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Can anyone recommend a 'Diesel Tuning Plug in Chip'

My engine is A4 2.0 TDI 150BHP - late 2014 model

Be interested in forum users who have this engine and have a performance chip device on.

I don't want to go down the remap route because of resale/insurance/warrany etc...
 
Personally wouldnt bother with just a chip as 99% of them, if not all, will just fool the ECU into thinking sensors are under-reading with a couple pence resistor. Most common way was to use fuel temperature
 
They don't bother with the fuel temp sensor that was on the PD engines. On a common rail engine you alter the output of the common rail fuel pressure sensor. The ECU then commands the pump to increase rail pressure and consequently increases the fuel flow through the injectors.
More sophisticated tuning boxes are dual channel and connect to the MAP sensor output as well. by lowering the sensor output the turbo will produce more boost.
Things have got a little more complicated recently as the output from a lot of the sensors on newer cars is no longer a simple voltage output but is a coded data stream, this involves a lot more effort by the box manufacturers to design and build the tuning boxes.
There are many companies selling these, some at quite inflated prices, others more reasonable.
 
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Things have got a little more complicated recently as the output from a lot of the sensors on newer cars is no longer a simple voltage output but is a coded data stream, this involves a lot more effort by the box manufacturers to design and build the tuning boxes.
There are many companies selling these, some at quite inflated prices, others more reasonable.

Can you name any recommendations? Do you have a remap or tuning box?

I've seen (Stage 2 CRD-T) (2013-) boxes. Are these more sophisticated boxes which will reduce/eliminate black smoke.

I don't want to feel I got a 'James Bond' switch, so when I put my foot down I don't leave a plume of black smoke.
 
DTUK are a sponsor of the forum and have had some very good feedback from users but they are expensive. I have come across Racechip and they look to be well made and have pretty good reviews. They are dual channel which is the same as DTUK and they are fully adjustable which allows you to tailor the box to your requirements. You will never get big plumes of black smoke as long as you have a DPF.
The Racechip Pro version looks a reasonable price/ performance.
https://www.racechip.co.uk/
 
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Anything that just plugs in is just a resistor in a fancy box.
 
Good morning, I'm selling my TDUK box from my 2014 A4 150bhp tdi. Takes 30 seconds to fit and knocked 6 seconds of my 0-100 time!!! Cost me £330 but as my S3 is arriving in November I'm selling it. Would you like to make me an offer before I go down the eBay route??

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Anything that just plugs in is just a resistor in a fancy box.
That is very simplistic and very uninformed.
That may have been true of some tuning boxes in particular the PD engines. A lot of the tuning boxes sold connected to the fuel temperature sensor and were just a resistor. I know, I played around with old my Passat PD130 with various resistors in place of the sensor to see what the effect was. They still sell these boxes. There is one here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Touran-PD-TDI-Diesel-Tuning-Box-Chip-up-to-2008-/331515621646?
If you take the box apart you will find a resistor in there. And by the way they are a waste of time.
However this is not the case with newer engines and tuning boxes that connect to sensors such as the common rail pressure sensors.
You can't cheat these with a simple resistor network as the ECU does a sanity check on the sensor when the ignition is switched on.
Newer cars are using sensors that don't actually output a voltage which was typically 0-5v and easily manipulated . They are using a serial communication protocol which requires a good deal more design effort and more complex electronics to manipulate the signal.
 
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Can you explain to me how a box wire 2 plugs, and about 5 wires going into it, can properly manipulate ECU signals that a proper remap would alter? What about drivers wish, smoke maps, injection maps, boost duty maps, torque maps, Boost limiter maps, IQ maps, MAF sensor maps etc etc. You get the idea.

Not saying they dont work, but they are still a crude way of making a car quicker, by fooling or manipulating signals to 2 sensors on the engine. I believe these are the rail pressure sensor and the boost duty sensor.

What happens when the box increases boost over the overboost threshold and the ECU sees this via the map sensor and begins to add ECU level interventions to start to protect itself?

Regardless of how far box technology has come, in my opinion, they are still a VERY expensive (£370) and poor way to get increased performance. For that price, you might aswell take it to a proper company who specialises in remapping the VAG range.

All just my opinion based on what ive learnt over 7-8years tuning and also remapping cars at home myself and teaching myself what to do and what changes affect other areas of the mapping/vehicle performance. A decent map will change upwards of 30-50maps to get a performace map with a proper OEM feel to it and at the end of the day, safe. You aint going to get that manipulating 2 sensors.
 
I myself have mapped many diesel cars and agree with you that the best way to go about getting more performance out of a car is with a map.
I have also used tuning boxes on my PD130 Passat and the Audi I now drive had a tuning box on it when I bought it.
I have one fitted on the Wifes 1.4D Yaris that has been on there for over 5 years now.
These tuning boxes did work well and made a good difference to the standard car, but both of these went onto be mapped and the mapped cars were a good deal better.I would say a good tuning box will give you about 70-80 % of what a good map will.
Tuning boxes have their place, some cars, especially newer models are unable to be mapped as the manufacturers do a very good job of keeping the tuners out. These cars along with anything that has a warranty are where people who want more power, may use a tuning box.
Also people who don't intend to keep the car for a long time may choose a tuning box as they can remove it and sell it on.
I know that you can map a car and then remove the map if it needs to go into the garage but that is just hassle for most people.
On a modern common rail engine there is always a good excess of air, the manufacturers design them that way so basically if you want more power you need more fuel.
With a map you would alter pretty much all the maps you have mentioned drivers wish, smoke, torque , Lambda, Injection etc to get that extra fuel. Taking my 3.0 TDI Audi as an example the common rail maximum pressure of the standard car is 1600 Bar. However most of the time it's a lot less than that. By increasing the rail pressure above what the ECU would normally command results in a higher rail pressure, so more fuel is injected when the injectors open resulting in more power. Because of the amount excess air available in the factory tune you can do this and still keep a reasonable Lambda value.
I actually set up the tuning box of my Audi on the bench and using a variable power supply altered the input voltage whilst measuring the output voltage, and then altering the switches that are used to vary the effect I could see what the tuning box was doing.
The sensor on the fuel rail with no pressure put's out 0.5V . When the ignition is turned on initially the ECU checks the sensor voltage and looks for around 0.5V, There may be some residual pressure in the rail but typically it will be around 0.5V. So the tuning box needs to output 0.5V if the input is 0.5V. As the common rail pressure rises and the sensor output voltage increases the tuning box alters the voltage being sent to the ECU. So although the ECU may think there is 1000 bar of pressure in the rail because of the modified voltage it's actually putting in 1250 bar .
As the ECU commands the pump to generate the pressure in the rail. Some of the more advanced boxes are able to tell how fast the engine is turning as when the injectors open on the main injection cycle this causes a spike in the rail pressure. You can measure these spikes to derive information on the engine speed.
There is a slight problem when it comes to peak power. When you are running the engine flat out the pump is running at 1600 bar, to get more power out of the engine using a tuning box requires the pump pressure to exceed this 1600 bar level. On the Audi I calculated that the tuning box was allowing the fuel rail to goto 1800 bar pressure when on the maximum setting.
This is what my car has been running for several years now with the maps I have had on it and it's not been an issue.
The more complicated dual channel boxes do a similar thing with the boost sensor as well. They will increase boost by a small amount maybe 0.1-0.2 bar to help especially if the car has a DPF as modern cars do.
The increase in boost won't be any more than what a map would call for, and although a phase 1 map may not alter the rail pressure it will have to alter the injection duration to get more fuel in which does increase the workload for the pump.
That is why I don't believe some of the numbers that the tuning boxes claim. As they can only increase rail pressure and not injection duration.
The trip computer reading on a car with a tuning box won't be as accurate. As the ECU calculates fuel used by the injection duration and the rail pressure. As the rail pressure is now higher the calculation won't be accurate, which is why cars see better fuel economy on the trip.
There is a slight counter argument that the increased rail pressure causes better vapourisation of the fuel though and thus better running.
 
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I can't see how insurance/resale value is better on a box? You can always reflash back to original.

They bastardize the input signals an cannot differentiate between when the driver wants power and when not.

I convert a lot of cars from boxed to proper maps. The biggest issue with the box is it is too rich during spool, with fuel being injected at the wrong time causing internal smoke and high EGT's. Your DPF masks this - for a while - and then eventually it blocks up and you have a lot of issues. Also the power claims are ridiculous, claiming more power than I have ever been able to get from a remap, which is impossible.

With regard to engine protection etc, if temperatures get high for what ever reason, with properly calibrated software, the ECU can adjust as needed. With a box, the ECU thinks it is reducing power, but in fact the tuning box is still adding fuel when it shouldn't.

Rick
 
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People jump on the marketing spin and believe they work as good as a map.

Im no pro at mapping, but understand the basics and a box will never work as well. Its when people know whats going on with both a box and a map and the effects and suggests it to people and doesnt get took on board properly because the masses believe the cheaper box is working just aswell.

Bet none of these box manufacturers would post raw data before and after of key data logging areas to show whats going on.
 
Can anyone recommend a 'Diesel Tuning Plug in Chip'

My engine is A4 2.0 TDI 150BHP - late 2014 model

Be interested in forum users who have this engine and have a performance chip device on.

I don't want to go down the remap route because of resale/insurance/warrany etc...
Hi,
If you do need any help with insurance at all for either a tuning box or re-map please feel free to drop me a line. I'd be only too pleased to try an help.
Regards,
Dan.
 
Going to how to eat my own words now!

Steering more to a remap now than a chipped tuning box, but for the general comsumer with no specialist knowledge this is still a bit confusing.

I understand the remappers need to promote a remap and vice versa a chip tuning box supplier needs to promote the chipped box.

But remappers seem to show more evidence on gains, impact to DPF etc.......
 
Some tuning box companies sell ones described as 'eco' then when you ring for advice on when they have made no difference at all. they say "we only put that on the website for insurance purposes"
Wary of boxes now.