Facelift Parking sensors

[Aniel1991]

Hi all On my 18 8v s3 whenever i stick it in reverse the parking sensor display doesnt come up on the screen like my sisters 16 a3 is this an optional extra as i only get the beeps to notify and not the display i didnt realise it was an extra if it is
Thanks

 

[JDHOWELLS]

Hi all On my 18 8v s3 whenever i stick it in reverse the parking sensor display doesnt come up on the screen like my sisters 16 a3 is this an optional extra as i only get the beeps to notify and not the display i didnt realise it was an extra if it is
Thanks

You have to have parking plus to get the graphics, not just the standard sensors


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[Lehn]

You can code the display yourself if you have VCDS, Carista or OBDeleven.

 

[danb986]

You can code the display yourself if you have VCDS, Carista or OBDeleven.

Is this possible now? I've been after this for ages and have VCDS, but everywhere I've read says that it can't be done on the facelift models.
The method for the pre-FL models doesn't work on FL cars.

 

[Lehn]

Is this possible now? I've been after this for ages and have VCDS, but everywhere I've read says that it can't be done on the facelift models.
The method for the pre-FL models doesn't work on FL cars.

Thought it also worked on FL cars... Sorry for raising your expectations! Maybe @DJAlix can help you if he has time

 

[DJAlix]

Thought it also worked on FL cars... Sorry for raising your expectations! Maybe @DJAlix can help you if he has time

This feature is now classed as SWaP and as such is licensed (Software as a Product). Saying that, do I know how to do it? Yes, and its impossible for VCDS and alike to activate. Can I do it? Just because I know how does not actually mean that I can unfortunately

 

[Mylee]

Just done this on my FL using Carista. But I am on the beta program so know it isn’t readily available just yet.
Happy to turn this on for you if your near me.

 

[DJAlix]

Just done this on my FL using Carista. But I am on the beta program so know it is readily available just yet.
Happy to turn this on for you if your near me.

Pics please...

 

[Callum Jarvis]

Just done this on my FL using Carista. But I am on the beta program so know it isn’t readily available just yet.
Happy to turn this on for you if your near me.

Yeah, Pictures would be much appreciated!

 

[Vertigo1]

FWIW, I have parking plus so have the graphic...

...and hardly ever look at it.

Oddly, I'm more interested in looking out of the car at where I'm going, using the audible beeping to know when I'm close or need to stop.

The only time I find the graphic useful is if there is something I can't see causing a beep and I want to check exactly where it is but this is very very rare.

 

[Mylee]

Sorry my bad, my cars a PFL, not sure if that makes a difference but here’s the graphic after I turned on via Carista

 

[GeoffT]

I asked the question about adding this when I first got my car as my previous Golf R had the screen display and I just expected the A3 would have too. I only have rear sensors though, not the parking plus, so it's just the beeps. But, as @Vertigo1 says, I am not sure how much benefit it really was and I'm cerainly not missing it so far as the insistence of the beeps is clear enough how close you are to anything. Even if it became possible to add it to a FL via VCDS, I'm not sure I would bother now.

 

[Vertigo1]

Sorry my bad, my cars a PFL, not sure if that makes a difference but here’s the graphic after I turned on via Carista

The FL graphic doesn't take over the whole screen but "pops up" on the right side of the screen, with the car oriented North/South rather than East/West. Functionally the same though.

 

[Oreo5000]

Hi Guys,

Just picked up an 8V FL, I only have the audible rear parking sensors, does anyone know if it has now become possible to enable the on screen display or is it still a no go?

Thanks for your help

 

[beepbeep]

This feature is now classed as SWaP and as such is licensed (Software as a Product). Saying that, do I know how to do it? Yes, and its impossible for VCDS and alike to activate. Can I do it? Just because I know how does not actually mean that I can unfortunately

Oh thats a bummer. I have spent quite some time and money getting together all the genuine VAG components including 8 channel controller to fit front and rear sensors to a MY 2017 Facelift A3. I was expecting to be able to activate this with VCDS including the graphics.

@DJAlix does this mean I will not even be able to get the parking sensors working with or without the graphics? The controller is part number 5QA 919 294A - do you also need the MMI number to be able to answer this question.


Regards
beepbeep

 

[DJAlix]

Oh thats a bummer. I have spent quite some time and money getting together all the genuine VAG components including 8 channel controller to fit front and rear sensors to a MY 2017 Facelift A3. I was expecting to be able to activate this with VCDS including the graphics.

@DJAlix does this mean I will not even be able to get the parking sensors working with or without the graphics? The controller is part number 5QA 919 294A - do you also need the MMI number to be able to answer this question.


Regards
beepbeep

Visual parking display with rear sensors only is not possible on FL cars. Visual parking display with rear sensors (facotry or retrofitted) and retrofitted front sensors is totally possible.

 

[beepbeep]

@DJAlix Thanks for your rapid response. I am very pleased to hear that I should be able to get this working on my FL car including graphics. I am assuming by totally possible I can code this with VCDS in a similar fashion to the pre FL cars or does it need any of your magic assistance.

 

[DJAlix]

@DJAlix Thanks for your rapid response. I am very pleased to hear that I should be able to get this working on my FL car including graphics. I am assuming by totally possible I can code this with VCDS in a similar fashion to the pre FL cars or does it need any of your magic assistance.

VCDS is all you need for a front and rear retrofit.

 

[beepbeep]

@DJAlix Thanks I will do this within the next few weeks with renewed confidence.

 

[beepbeep]

@DJAlix Well after the good news from post 15 of this thread I finally got round to fitting my 8 channel OPS to my 2017 MY Facelift A3 Sportsback Sport taking great care with every detail using genuine VAG parts throughout.

I plugged in my Hex V2 using 18.2.1 and was most miffed when the module 10 parking controller 5QA 919 294A would not accept any coding just responding with an Error 31 Request out of range - coding rejected.

I had already been to the Gateway installation list and successfully registered Module 10 on the network. I also ensured the fields for WSC, Importer and equipment were complete using both the Ross-Tech default and the numbers that are in all the other modules on the car but both gave the Error 31.

Doing a full auto scan revealed 3 fault codes:-
1113875 - parking aid indicator lamp open circuit.
The dash switch is not connected yet so I connected a temporary LED/resistor which enabled me to clear this fault and make it come back at will. Shows the module is at least partly working.

13636352 - Control module not coded. Yep that's what I'm working on.

10487040 - Invalid Data Record B2005 00 [009] Mmm this one sounds sinister. From what I've found on the net it sounds like parameter data is missing because it has not been configured via SVM or some other system. The Park module was bought from my Audi dealer via the parts dpt.

Am I on the right track and is there a simple fix for this. If not and it requires your special magic please let me know and I will contact you on your business e-mail.

Regards

 

[DJAlix]

@DJAlix Well after the good news from post 15 of this thread I finally got round to fitting my 8 channel OPS to my 2017 MY Facelift A3 Sportsback Sport taking great care with every detail using genuine VAG parts throughout.

I plugged in my Hex V2 using 18.2.1 and was most miffed when the module 10 parking controller 5QA 919 294A would not accept any coding just responding with an Error 31 Request out of range - coding rejected.

I had already been to the Gateway installation list and successfully registered Module 10 on the network. I also ensured the fields for WSC, Importer and equipment were complete using both the Ross-Tech default and the numbers that are in all the other modules on the car but both gave the Error 31.

Doing a full auto scan revealed 3 fault codes:-
1113875 - parking aid indicator lamp open circuit.
The dash switch is not connected yet so I connected a temporary LED/resistor which enabled me to clear this fault and make it come back at will. Shows the module is at least partly working.

13636352 - Control module not coded. Yep that's what I'm working on.

10487040 - Invalid Data Record B2005 00 [009] Mmm this one sounds sinister. From what I've found on the net it sounds like parameter data is missing because it has not been configured via SVM or some other system. The Park module was bought from my Audi dealer via the parts dpt.

Am I on the right track and is there a simple fix for this. If not and it requires your special magic please let me know and I will contact you on your business e-mail.

Regards

Need to see a full autoscan please. Where did you purchase your parts from.... and where they a kit or something you put together yourself?

 

[RJ-8V]

@beepbeep update the software of your parking module to index B and use VCP or Odis to parametrise it. You can try to parametrise it without updating it to index B. But there are some small sensor improvements with index B. The invalid dataset will then be gone.

As for coding(without rearview camera):

0471155811

Use login code: 71679



A3 8V Facelift Limousine

 

[beepbeep]

@DJAlix

It was not a kit I sourced all the parts for this myself as I have many years working as an Electrical Engineer with additional electronic and software experience.

Parking controller 5QA 919 294A was sourced with 18 pin and 26 pin connectors direct from the Audi parts department where I purchased the car new. I checked on ETKA 8 /1237 as there are four revisions levels for this controller :- no suffix, A, B, E and C in that date order . My car was manufactured 02/2017 so I ordered the part 5QA 919 294A which ETKA shows as applicable from 07/11/2016 to 29/05/2017. The very helpful parts man came up with the same number.

The U/S sensors and front back sounders were sourced from a German dismantlers BE Exclusive who specialise in recent cars and are all genuine VAG /Valeo parts supplied with donor car VIN numbers and Reg years – excellent company to deal with. Most of the sensors are dated 2017 or 2016. The sounders test OK via VCDS.

Front center sensors 5Q0 919 275C in Audi grill brackets Front outer and rear sensors all 5Q0 919 275B
Bumper cutouts are to internal Audi markings. Holders are Golf 5G0 919 491 mounted using genuine VAG punch, assembly holders and VAG 2 part adhesive and promoter. ££££

All looms made using 0.35 and 0.5mm thinwall wire cloth tape bound observing CAN bus twisting and terminated into genuine TYCO Plugs/sockets.

Despite the controller not accepting any coding it registered can be seen on the network ok. When I open the controller I can run the output tests and I can also go in and adjust the values for sounder frequency and level stage. I can also clear the fault code for parking aid button lamp O/C and make it come back at will.

Here is a full autoscan of the car taken yesterday.

Thanks for your help.

Wednesday,19,September,2018,16:25:36:40364
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x86
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.2 HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180518 DS287.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAUZZZ8V2HA106549 License Plate:


Chassis Type: 8V-AU37 (3Q0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 42 44 52 5F BB BC

VIN: WAUZZZ8V2HA106549 Mileage: 12426km-7721miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
BB-Door Rear Drv -- Status: OK 0000
BC-Door Rear Pass -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CZEA) Labels:. 04E-907-309-V1.clb
Part No SW: 04E 906 027 HF HW: 04E 907 309 BJ
Component: R4 1.4l TFS H23 3545
Revision: R6H23---
Coding: 02190012232401082000
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM14TFS01104E906027HF 001006
ROD: EV_ECM14TFS01104E906027HF.rod
VCID: 6FB8DA7C7714D6BF98D-803A

CAN Converter 01:

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 0001

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:. 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 614 517 CG HW: 5Q0 614 517 AG
Component: ESC H62 0643
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 60277000002680
Coding: 12F18AA224201272497C0E0440CC28485124489270021472022150788008420000000012121212B835351919323200
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 036010
ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_036_AU37.rod
VCID: 78AAE120025A9107497-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (E87) Labels:| 8V0-820-043.clb
Part No SW: 8V0 820 043 M HW: 8V0 820 043 M
Component: AC Automat H03 0130
Revision: 20002000 Serial number: 00000001150271
Coding: 03100004000000011000000000001100
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirCondiFrontVaAU37X 008022
ROD: EV_AirCondiFrontVaAU37X.rod
VCID: 3C223D3076E27D276DF-8068

Relative humidity sensor in fresh air intake duct:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658 B HW: 4H0 907 658 B
Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor H01 0006
Serial number: E7394D8800PAG0MUFU03

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 5Q0-937-08X-V2.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 CG HW: 5Q0 937 084 CG
Component: BCM MQBAB H H34 0236
Serial number: 02001702300861
Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMMQB 017001
ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_017.rod
VCID: 7F580A3C2774A63F08D-802A

Control Unit For Wiper Motor:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8V2 955 119 A HW: 8V2 955 119 Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
Component: WWS370 161205 043 0580
Serial number: 161216091918
Coding: 0A47F7

Rain Light Recognition Sensor:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 C HW: 8U0 955 559 B Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
Component: G397_RLFS H06 0004
Serial number: 62606964
Coding: 00006C

Light switch:
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8V0 941 531 AR HW: 8V0 941 531 AR
Component: E1 - LDS MQB H06 0032
Serial number: 29 11 2016 00000028

Sensor For Anti Theft Alarm System:
Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8V0 951 177 HW: 5Q0 951 172
Component: Sensor, DWA 005 0316
Serial number: 000000000ZY170041X94

Alarm horn:
Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605 A HW: 5Q0 951 605 A
Component: Sirene, DWA 005 0314
Serial number: 00000000000068433912

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446) Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
Part No SW: 5QA 919 294 A HW: 5QA 919 294
Component: PDC 8 KanalH07 0038
Serial number: 000308418617088
Coding: 0000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000 009031
ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000_009_AU37.rod
VCID: 4ACE6BE82C36D397EF3-801E

3 Faults Found:
1113875 - Parking Aid Indicator Lamp
B10FF 13 [009] - Open Circuit
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 148
Mileage: 12426 km
Date: 2018.09.19
Time: 16:19:22

13636352 - Control module not coded
U1013 00 [009] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 148
Mileage: 12426 km
Date: 2018.09.19
Time: 16:19:22

10487040 - invalid data record
B2005 00 [009] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 148
Mileage: 12426 km
Date: 2018.09.19
Time: 16:19:22


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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 AR HW: 5Q0 959 655 AR
Component: AirbagVW21 003 0317
Serial number: 003TDR2KU1XT
Coding: 98CCC0000C0000005C5400CA00C800000065
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002154
ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_VW37.rod
VCID: 107AB9800AEAA947E17-8044

Side Sensor Driver Front:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 000 202 17
Component: SideSensor_Df 001 0887
Serial number: 357000000005F345B02H
Coding: 2D2D2D

Side Sensor Passenger Front:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 000 202 17
Component: SideSensor_Pf 001 0887
Serial number: 358000000008B875B02P
Coding: 2D2D2D

Side Sensor Driver Rear:
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 400 202 17
Component: SideSensor_Dr 000 6149
Serial number: 3510001BB244A73571C1
Coding: 2D2D2D

Side Sensor Passenger Rear:
Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 400 602 17
Component: SideSensor_Pr 000 6149
Serial number: 3520001C9247FF9143FL
Coding: 2D2D2D

Front Sensor Driver:
Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 402 912 16
Component: FrontSensor_D 001 6149
Serial number: 3550002BB23C4E51F1CK
Coding: 2D2D2D

Pedestrian Protection Driver:
Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 400 711 16
Component: PedP_Sensor_D 000 6149
Serial number: 2280001BB23B3B54E18B
Coding: 2D2D2D

Pedestrian Protection Passenger:
Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 400 711 16
Component: PedP_Sensor_P 000 6149
Serial number: 2290001BB23B3B5551D9
Coding: 2D2D2D

Pedestrian Protection Driver 2:
Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 002 301 17
Component: PedPSensor_D2 001 0887
Serial number: I0M0000000032935512R
Coding: 2D2D2D

Pedestrian Protection Passenger 2:
Subsystem 9 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 002 301 17
Component: PedPSensor_P2 001 0887
Serial number: I0N00000000470B0F02.
Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
Part No SW: 8V0 953 521 HB HW: 5Q0 953 549 E
Component: Lenks. Modul 003 0140
Revision: -------- Serial number: 30011704220601
Coding: A408
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 020002
ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_020_AU37.rod
VCID: 015C8CC45180D0CF7E9-8054

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
Part No SW: 8V0 920 972 J HW: 8V0 920 972 J
Component: KOMBI H04 8316
Coding: 27A409002B8026000100E8001000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009054
ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
VCID: 45D458D405283CEF021-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:| 3Q0-907-530-V1.clb
Part No SW: 3Q0 907 530 B HW: 3Q0 907 530 B
Component: GW MQB Mid 417 4286
Revision: -------- Serial number: 0005863018
Coding: 030100043F0857005B000248080B00000001010000000000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewNF 013020
ROD: EV_GatewNF_VW27.rod
VCID: 2E060778B09E9FB7D3B-807A

Alternator:

Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 81A 951 523 HW: 81A 951 523
Component: J453 MFL H04 0003
Serial number: 20170106130049 21595

Battery Monitoring Control Module:
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 J HW: 5Q0 915 181 J
Component: J367-BDMConti H03 1050
Serial number: 75410803001701280979

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 959 593 E HW: 5Q0 959 593 B
Component: TSG FS 020 0041
Serial number: 120117EAB27931
Coding: 00108A204001040000001002
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXKLO 006003
ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
VCID: 43D046CC0B1C02DF2C5-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500) Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 T HW: 5Q0 909 144 R
Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS 128 1072
Coding: 8107
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 013144
ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_013.rod
VCID: 45D458D405283CEF021-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 959 592 E HW: 5Q0 959 592 B
Component: TSG BFS 020 0041
Serial number: 190117EAJ0422A
Coding: 001082204C01040000001002
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXKLO 006003
ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
VCID: 42DE43C814060BD7273-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels:* Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 81A 035 192 D HW: 81A 035 192
Component: MU-HS-LND-EU 045 0192
Serial number:
Coding: 01730301FF00000011111101000A00102F002AC601F00100CE
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_MUHigScl6C3DELP 001011
ROD: EV_MUHigScl6C3DELP_AU37.rod
VCID: 221EE348F4462BD7473-8076

Data medium:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8W0 919 866 M HW: -----------
Component: ECE 2017 --- 0024
Serial number: --------------------

Display unit 1 for multimedia system:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8V0 919 604 C HW: 8V0 919 604 C
Component: DU High H49 0014
Serial number: AUZ8Z9G1Y00GKV

Multimedia Operating Unit:
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8V0 919 614 BE HW: 8V0 919 614 BE
Component: ControlUnit_B H50 0103
Serial number: ALJAL109121600010175

No fault code found.

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Address BB: Door Rear Drv (J388) Labels:* None
Part No SW: 5Q0 959 595 E HW: 5Q0 959 595 B
Component: TSG HFS 020 0041
Serial number: 090916DHE02985
Coding: 000082204001040000001002
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_DCURearDriveMAXKLO 006003
ROD: EV_DCURearDriveMAXCONT.rod
VCID: 45D458D405283CEF021-8010

No fault code found.

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Address BC: Door Rear Pass (J389) Labels:* None
Part No SW: 5Q0 959 595 E HW: 5Q0 959 595 B
Component: TSG HBFS 020 0041
Serial number: 090916EI812008
Coding: 000082204001040000001002
Shop #: WSC 06314 790 00021
ASAM Dataset: EV_DCURearPasseMAXKLO 006003
ROD: EV_DCURearPasseMAXCONT.rod
VCID: 45D458D405283CEF021-8010

No fault code found.

 

[RJ-8V]

@DJAlix


Despite the controller not accepting any coding it registered can be seen on the network ok. When I open the controller I can run the output tests and I can also go in and adjust the values for sounder frequency and level stage. I can also clear the fault code for parking aid button lamp O/C and make it come back at will.

Here is a full autoscan of the car taken yesterday.

Thanks for your help.

See my comment..........that will solve your problem.

I said before that you can "try" to parametrise without updating to index B. Misphrased that, you CAN parametrise without updating to index B but that should be done with Odis because VCP doesn't have the parameters for index A.

A3 8V Facelift Limousine

 

[beepbeep]

@RJ-8V
Sorry I was in the middle of working out how to insert the autoscan and your post came in before I had finished.

Interesting that rev B gives a small gain. I went with A so as to avoid any compatibility issues with the MMI. Unfortunately I don't have a means to load software into the module or VCP to parametrise it.

I was under the impression from reading other posts that Odis would only work with modules that were on the original car and as this is a retrofit it might refuse it. However adding a module is new territory for me.

Many thanks for your input - sounds like all is not lost.

 

[RJ-8V]

@RJ-8V
Sorry I was in the middle of working out how to insert the autoscan and your post came in before I had finished.

Interesting that rev B gives a small gain. I went with A so as to avoid any compatibility issues with the MMI. Unfortunately I don't have a means to load software into the module or VCP to parametrise it.

I was under the impression from reading other posts that Odis would only work with modules that were on the original car and as this is a retrofit it might refuse it. However adding a module is new territory for me.

Many thanks for your input - sounds like all is not lost.

I mean software index B, not hardware rev B. So update the software to index B (044).

Yes thats right. Odis will refuse to do it. But DJAlix has pdc front + rear, so he could swap your module with his. Hook up his car to Odis and then parametrise / code the module.

the fastest way is update software with original flashfile to index B, then parametrise with VCP and then copy paste the coding. No need to swap modules etc

A3 8V Facelift Limousine

 

[beepbeep]

What actually happens during the parametrise process.

 

[RJ-8V]

What actually happens during the parametrise process.

It loads the "what to do" part of a module software.

Modules consists of software and parameters. The parameters say what the module has to and can do with the software.

For example parameters of a Front Camera (lane assist camera) tells that Lane assist should be active from 65km/h and up. Parameters with Lane assist and traffic jam assist say that it can be active lower than 65km/h (as in a traffic jam).



A3 8V Facelift Limousine

 

[AlS3BE]

Not trying to go off topic as I see beepbeep is needing help.
Has no one figured out a way to activate the ops on facelift cars? I just noticed hazzydays is offering to do this on facelift cars but at £225 + vat so expect it’s not just a quick bit of coding.
Getting front sensors is a bit excessive to me so I can see the display on the mmi screen.

 

[RJ-8V]

Not trying to go off topic as I see beepbeep is needing help.
Has no one figured out a way to activate the ops on facelift cars? I just noticed hazzydays is offering to do this on facelift cars but at £225 + vat so expect it’s not just a quick bit of coding.
Getting front sensors is a bit excessive to me so I can see the display on the mmi screen.

Can you post a link?

A3 8V Facelift Limousine

 

[AlS3BE]

https://www.hazzydayz.com/optical-p...-golf-models-with-factory-rear-pdc-4612-p.asp

 

[RJ-8V]

https://www.hazzydayz.com/optical-p...-golf-models-with-factory-rear-pdc-4612-p.asp

Hmm havent seen this before.

@DJAlix you said the "fooling the system with 8ch module, button and buzzer" does not work. Do you know what hazzyday does to get this done?

A3 8V Facelift Limousine

 

[DJAlix]

@DJAlix

It was not a kit I sourced all the parts for this myself as I have many years working as an Electrical Engineer with additional electronic and software experience.

Parking controller 5QA 919 294A was sourced with 18 pin and 26 pin connectors direct from the Audi parts department where I purchased the car new. I checked on ETKA 8 /1237 as there are four revisions levels for this controller :- no suffix, A, B, E and C in that date order . My car was manufactured 02/2017 so I ordered the part 5QA 919 294A which ETKA shows as applicable from 07/11/2016 to 29/05/2017. The very helpful parts man came up with the same number.

The U/S sensors and front back sounders were sourced from a German dismantlers BE Exclusive who specialise in recent cars and are all genuine VAG /Valeo parts supplied with donor car VIN numbers and Reg years – excellent company to deal with. Most of the sensors are dated 2017 or 2016. The sounders test OK via VCDS.

Front center sensors 5Q0 919 275C in Audi grill brackets Front outer and rear sensors all 5Q0 919 275B
Bumper cutouts are to internal Audi markings. Holders are Golf 5G0 919 491 mounted using genuine VAG punch, assembly holders and VAG 2 part adhesive and promoter. ££££

All looms made using 0.35 and 0.5mm thinwall wire cloth tape bound observing CAN bus twisting and terminated into genuine TYCO Plugs/sockets.

Despite the controller not accepting any coding it registered can be seen on the network ok. When I open the controller I can run the output tests and I can also go in and adjust the values for sounder frequency and level stage. I can also clear the fault code for parking aid button lamp O/C and make it come back at will.

Here is a full autoscan of the car taken yesterday.

Thanks for your help.

Well here is the issue, you did not purchase a "kit". What you did purchase was a genuine OEM new module and there is nothing wrong with this bar most new modules being "virgin", ie they need setting up before they can be coded / used. Used modules and modules which come as part of a kit are normally "ready to rock" without any messing about. So as Mr @RJ-8V has already posted you are gonna need help with parameterisation.

 

[DJAlix]

Hmm havent seen this before.

@DJAlix you said the "fooling the system with 8ch module, button and buzzer" does not work. Do you know what hazzyday does to get this done?

A3 8V Facelift Limousine

What happens to an Audi parking system when there is an issue with a sensor wiring loom or on one of the buzzer wires? The system shuts down and displays the following (I cannot actually find an example via google so just made this image):



So why? Lets say that its the rear buzzer thats gone faulty for whatever reason, well Audi disable the whole system for liability reasons as they don't want anyone saying "I am taking you to court because I hit something while the buzzer was not working" etc etc in every single combination you can think of.

Why am I saying this? Well retrofitting an 8 channel module without the supporting hardware means that the connections for the front sensors and front buzzer will be open and perceived as a faulty, and the system will be disabled. How are they doing it then? It could be that they have found and been able to perform the method I know of, or maybe they are indeed retrofitting an 8 channel module but with loop back connectors / resistors in order to make the system think is has supporting hardware connected. No idea.

 

[beepbeep]

It loads the "what to do" part of a module software.

Modules consists of software and parameters. The parameters say what the module has to and can do with the software.

For example parameters of a Front Camera (lane assist camera) tells that Lane assist should be active from 65km/h and up. Parameters with Lane assist and traffic jam assist say that it can be active lower than 65km/h (as in a traffic jam).



A3 8V Facelift Limousine

@RJ-8V That suddenly makes sense now. This is very similar to the motor control systems I've worked on. For example a servo motor drive would have sometimes hundreds of different parameters for every aspect of the motors control and our PLC controllers manipulated these values through our bespoke software. The difference here appears to be that with the motor drive these parameter fields would already exist in the firmware of the drive and be populated with upper and lower values. Of course there were always firmware and software revisions which caused mayhem with maintenance.

It appears that the VAG modules contain a virtually empty firmware and this is subsequently loaded with the required parameter structure and value. I know there is a trend in manufacturing for end of line programming where firmware and software are loaded as the product comes off the production line allowing for flexible manufacturing and little obsolete stock.

 

[beepbeep]

Well here is the issue, you did not purchase a "kit". What you did purchase was a genuine OEM new module and there is nothing wrong with this bar most new modules being "virgin", ie they need setting up before they can be coded / used. Used modules and modules which come as part of a kit are normally "ready to rock" without any messing about. So as Mr @RJ-8V has already posted you are gonna need help with parameterisation.

Big thanks to DJAlix and RJ-8V for getting on the case and coming up with a solution so soon.


What would be the best way to proceed. Am I correct in thinking the software update/ parameterisation can be done to the module on the bench with just a temporary power source, a CAN bus connection and the VCP tool or does it have to be in the car if only for good connectivity. Does VCP have any remote internet options.

 

[RJ-8V]

Big thanks to DJAlix and RJ-8V for getting on the case and coming up with a solution so soon.


What would be the best way to proceed. Am I correct in thinking the software update/ parameterisation can be done to the module on the bench with just a temporary power source, a CAN bus connection and the VCP tool or does it have to be in the car if only for good connectivity. Does VCP have any remote internet options.

I would it do it in the car. You can use VCP to update the pdc module and then parametrise it. @DJAlix can do it for you. Won't take long, maybe a around 20min.



A3 8V Facelift Limousine

 

[DJAlix]

Big thanks to DJAlix and RJ-8V for getting on the case and coming up with a solution so soon.


What would be the best way to proceed. Am I correct in thinking the software update/ parameterisation can be done to the module on the bench with just a temporary power source, a CAN bus connection and the VCP tool or does it have to be in the car if only for good connectivity. Does VCP have any remote internet options.

VCP cannot do this remotely for the A3 as the gateways in use within the platform are not DoIP (diagnostic over internet protocol) compatible. Can be done on a bench if you cannot get the car to someone with VCP, just need the correct setup with which to host the module.

 

[AlS3BE]

What happens to an Audi parking system when there is an issue with a sensor wiring loom or on one of the buzzer wires? The system shuts down and displays the following (I cannot actually find an example via google so just made this image):

View attachment 165888

So why? Lets say that its the rear buzzer thats gone faulty for whatever reason, well Audi disable the whole system for liability reasons as they don't want anyone saying "I am taking you to court because I hit something while the buzzer was not working" etc etc in every single combination you can think of.

Why am I saying this? Well retrofitting an 8 channel module without the supporting hardware means that the connections for the front sensors and front buzzer will be open and perceived as a faulty, and the system will be disabled. How are they doing it then? It could be that they have found and been able to perform the method I know of, or maybe they are indeed retrofitting an 8 channel module but with loop back connectors / resistors in order to make the system think is has supporting hardware connected. No idea.

What is it that’s stopping it displaying on the mmi?
Is it the mmi unit? The parking module? Both?
Was reading something on the Ross tech forums a while ago and this worked with the pdc module with 5q0 and doesn’t with the 5qa in the facelifts. There was mention of flashing the module with vw/Skoda software to replace the Audi one, sounds like parameterisation?
I might be a bit simplistic but can’t you just swap the 5qa module with the 5qo and code it to work?

 

[RJ-8V]

What is it that’s stopping it displaying on the mmi?
Is it the mmi unit? The parking module? Both?
Was reading something on the Ross tech forums a while ago and this worked with the pdc module with 5q0 and doesn’t with the 5qa in the facelifts. There was mention of flashing the module with vw/Skoda software to replace the Audi one, sounds like parameterisation?
I might be a bit simplistic but can’t you just swap the 5qa module with the 5qo and code it to work?

Do you have a link? Missed that topic.

A3 8V Facelift Limousine