S3 list price and VED

[musicegbdf]

I has the same for my S3 with 6 months wait .
We also got good discounts on both .
I think for the TRoc with such a long lead time they have to offer a good deal or customers will walk to another manufacturer .
IMO such a long lead time for a mainstream car as a TRoc is crazy ...

 

[AlS3BE]

How can the price go up after you ordered ? The price agreed should be the price you pay . My daughter just ordered a TRoc with delivery expected Jan 2020 and price is fixed and agreed if any new tax is added (brexit) we can cancel and be refunded the deposit !

Normally the price agreed is the price you pay but the rrp could go up in the waiting times for factory orders.
Wouldn’t have been an issue before but due the rrp price increase it’s popped into the £40k+ band even though the amount paid for the car is the same as before.

 

[musicegbdf]

Ah ok got you . Of course it is the RRP not what they are charging . Yes can see the problem . That is a pain .

 

[GW1]

Under the T&C of my local dealer, if there is any price increases, including optional extras you can cancel the order and get a full refund.

 

[AlS3BE]

Under the T&C of my local dealer, if there is any price increases, including optional extras you can cancel the order and get a full refund.

Dealer hasn’t increased the prices. They are holding up their end of the bargain. A price was agreed and held during build time(3-9months+)
Not really grounds to cancel an order without some kind of penalty, ie lose deposit. It’s not like the car was faulty.
This is a tax issue and completely outside their control. If dvla increased the premium tax to £50k and your car fell out of the premium tax are you gonna give the dealer the difference or be happy with them adjusting the price to suit? Works both ways.
The only thing they had control of was the price and they held it. Audi UK set the rrp not the dealership.
I know dealers are seen as money grabbing ********* but they are running a business so need to turn a profit but I don’t see any wrong doing or dodgy things going on.

 

[GW1]

VED has changed format many times over the years. Back in 2007 I bought a new Mazda3mps and the VED was £200. Then the Government decided to go to war with Chelsea tractor owners and based VED on Co2 emissions, this move also hit every other car with high levels of Co2 not just 4x4 vehicles. The next year my VED jumped to £300 then a year later to £465, the motorists of this country have always been seen as a cash cow

 

[Ron240]

VED has changed format many times over the years. Back in 2007 I bought a new Mazda3mps and the VED was £200. Then the Government decided to go to war with Chelsea tractor owners and based VED on Co2 emissions, this move also hit every other car with high levels of Co2 not just 4x4 vehicles. The next year my VED jumped to £300 then a year later to £465, the motorists of this country have always been seen as a cash cow

I totally agree that the motorist is seen as a cash cow.....it is completely obvious to anybody with a brain, despite our governments green claims.
I'm not saying you are wrong and maybe I am missing something, but how did your Mazda jump from £300 to £465 when both figures were based on CO2 emissions?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe there has only been 2 major changes to VED this century - applicable from 2001 and 2017.
It is my understanding that when these new rules are introduced they are never applied retrospectively.

 

[Adam14]

End of the day the taxman always wins, new self service tax is just a way for them to get their tax as soon as possible.
The VED changes are no different. Charging 90% (not exactly but first year rates are near extortion for some groupings) of the overall tax in the first year just ensures they get their money ASAP

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[GW1]

I totally agree that the motorist is seen as a cash cow.....it is completely obvious to anybody with a brain, despite our governments green claims.
I'm not saying you are wrong and maybe I am missing something, but how did your Mazda jump from £300 to £465 when both figures were based on CO2 emissions?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe there has only been 2 major changes to VED this century - applicable from 2001 and 2017.
It is my understanding that when these new rules are introduced they are never applied retrospectively.

It changed just after I bought my Mazda, was around 2007/8 and was phased in over a two year period, So that went from £200 up to £465. This basically made Mazda retune the MPS MK2 to bring the Co2 levels to just under the threshold and returned it a VED value of £200, at that time it made my mk1 worthless, no one wanted to pay £465 VED when you could by a secondhand one with a VED rate of £200

 

[Ron240]

It changed just after I bought my Mazda, was around 2007/8 and was phased in over a two year period, So that went from £200 up to £465. This basically made Mazda retune the MPS MK2 to bring the Co2 levels to just under the threshold and returned it a VED value of £200, at that time it made my mk1 worthless, no one wanted to pay £465 VED when you could by a secondhand one with a VED rate of £200

Yep I just found this https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/vehicle-excise-duty/ and turns out there was a major increase in certain bands from 2007 for the next few years(including an increase in the actual number of bands).
Your Mazda MPS must have been in the old highest band then the new highest band when they increased the number of bands.
I completely sympathise with how you must have been feeling about the timing of when you bought it.

 

[AlS3BE]

Similar things happened with other brands. Honda Accord type r was hit quite bad at 2001 change and the s2000 as well.

 

[Ron240]

Similar things happened with other brands. Honda Accord type r was hit quite bad at 2001 change and the s2000 as well.

2001 was when VED first changed to be CO2 based with the introduction of bands.
As stated above there was a massive increase to the top existing bands(and a reduction on the lower ones) from 2007 onwards.

 

[AlS3BE]

2001 was when VED first changed to be CO2 based with the introduction of bands.
As stated above there was a massive increase to the top existing bands(and a reduction on the lower ones) from 2007 onwards.

Think that’s what I was trying to say. at 2001 the co2 based cars went up and by 2007/8 they were second highest band around £400 road tax. Not as bad at the mps but still high considering a car built 2000 would get away with paying half. Nothing really changed with the s2000 between 1999-2009 apart from you got shafted with tax if you got a later one.

 

[SuperKid]

All you petrol heads going off topic haha.

Plus take in to account the fact that most electricity is still being produced by coal power stations pumping more CO2 out, also the fact that the batteries are just dumped/disposed of and aren't great for the environment as don't exactly breakdown.

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I don't know about the mining and processing of the minerals needed to produce the batteries for cars but.. electricity, in the UK just recently went a week without coal-fired power plants. The UK is also on track to generate electricity with zero carbon by 2025.

I think the future is electric... and in terms of cost for repairs of an electric car, it is expensive because electric cars are still not widely available. The price will come down.

In the meantime, I love my S3, it is hell of a car and fun to drive

 

[r10jdl]

My price was locked in at the order, but the DVLA use the prevailing list price to define the 'Super Tax'. My RRP at order was £39250 allowing plenty of wiggle room for delivery costs, registration etc. List price went up to £39750 between ordering and registration, so no wiggle room, and list price of over 40 grand!

Dealer would not budge, and have been pretty poor generally (Southampton Audi).

Car delivered today, and all will be forgotten shortly

 

[Adam14]

My price was locked in at the order, but the DVLA use the prevailing list price to define the 'Super Tax'. My RRP at order was £39250 allowing plenty of wiggle room for delivery costs, registration etc. List price went up to £39750 between ordering and registration, so no wiggle room, and list price of over 40 grand!

Dealer would not budge, and have been pretty poor generally (Southampton Audi).

Car delivered today, and all will be forgotten shortly

Best colour choice end of the day That is the one thing I miss about my S3. That colour ALWAYS got comments from friends, people at work and strangers at the fuel station commenting on the colour.

Enjoy the new car and shame about the VED

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[Ron240]

Car delivered today, and all will be forgotten shortly

You can forget about it...at least for a year anyway.

While on the subject, I hope your dealer has paid the extra to tax your car your car up till the end of May 2020 so that you don't lose a month?
This is what happened with mine.....was registered on 31st May 2018 and will run out this Friday.

P.S. Yes absolute best colour choice.

 

[Baldyone]

My price was locked in at the order, but the DVLA use the prevailing list price to define the 'Super Tax'. My RRP at order was £39250 allowing plenty of wiggle room for delivery costs, registration etc. List price went up to £39750 between ordering and registration, so no wiggle room, and list price of over 40 grand!

Dealer would not budge, and have been pretty poor generally (Southampton Audi).

Car delivered today, and all will be forgotten shortly

Mine just got delivered by the very same driver, nice guy named Kev
Drove it down to the petrol station to fill the tank then straight back home to park it on the drive whilst I went back to work in my van (no pics yet but very happy). I gotta say really pleasant and simple experience from the initial contact with DTD right through to on time delivery from Southampton Audi. By far the easiest, smoothest and best deal I’ve ever got on a new car .
I love it! Just got to re familiarise myself with the car but a good 400 mile round trip this weekend should help sort that. Like you, ******** by the tax man but I just don’t care, may wince on renewals though

 

[Mr Freeze]

My price was locked in at the order, but the DVLA use the prevailing list price to define the 'Super Tax'. My RRP at order was £39250 allowing plenty of wiggle room for delivery costs, registration etc. List price went up to £39750 between ordering and registration, so no wiggle room, and list price of over 40 grand!

Dealer would not budge, and have been pretty poor generally (Southampton Audi).

Car delivered today, and all will be forgotten shortly

Very nice pal and by far the best colour

 

[listers_socks]

My price was locked in at the order, but the DVLA use the prevailing list price to define the 'Super Tax'. My RRP at order was £39250 allowing plenty of wiggle room for delivery costs, registration etc. List price went up to £39750 between ordering and registration, so no wiggle room, and list price of over 40 grand!

Dealer would not budge, and have been pretty poor generally (Southampton Audi).

Car delivered today, and all will be forgotten shortly

Weird question but you weren't in Cross Hands in Carmarthenshire today were you? Saw one exactly same as yours with same first half of the reg that i saw in Leekes car park before driving past.

 

[Snake Pliskin]

£40k is on low side in my opinion for premium tax. To be fair if they set it at £50k you will get the rs guys having a moan.
All the tax was to do was catch out all the electric car drivers who was paying nothing. It was ok when it was just the Nissan Leaf and a few hybrids like the Prius but then the German trio jumped on the bandwagon cause diesel was so bad so government wanted a piece of that pie so thought £40k was a good number and it is a good number for them. A Prius is £30k+ so an equivalent merc/Audi/bmw has to be at least £40k. I’m just surprised that the manufacturers didn’t just start pricing the good spec cars at £39999 or there abouts.

Electric cars isn’t all that cracked up to be as well. All it’s doing is moving the pollution somewhere else out of the cities and towns.
Read this on another forum and if true then we are better off not embracing electric cars.
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Plus take in to account the fact that most electricity is still being produced by coal power stations pumping more CO2 out, also the fact that the batteries are just dumped/disposed of and aren't great for the environment as don't exactly breakdown.

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I can only imagine the repairs on these electric car when they go wrong. I remember a few years ago a Prius turned up at a friends garage with a fault. Car was out of warranty.
Code read the car and spoke with Toyota.
Battery was faulty so needs new battery. £7k+vat for batteries. Book time was like 100 hours to replace so even at £40 per hour it’s £4K. Something about body needs to come off the car to get to the batteries then there was diagnostics/calibration etc
Needless to say it was driven about as a 1.6 then scrapped and there’s not many specialist scrap yards that will recycle the batteries properly.
At least the Prius had a backup petrol engine. These all electric things once broken isn’t worth fixing.

This is the biggest Con going. The amount of energy to produce these electric cars, then the energy / cost of rolling out a national charge point system is far greater than the energy we produce building petrol / Diesel cars.

Then think of all the new power stations we'll need to build to cope with the electricity demand?

Electric cars are the next Diesel-gate in years to come.

The only people electric cars benefit are those who work for companies that are either building the cars, building the infrastructure, and the government in collecting taxes.

Plus, if all cars go electric. How does an enemy bring a country to it's knees? Knock out the power stations and the country can't be mobile.

Totally agree with all the above great valid points.

Electric is being rammed down our throats and the fact is they are still in very early design phases - and DO generate polution and in some cases more than petrol or diesel.

I have a colleague who has just ordered a new Audi e-tron and has said he will get 300 miles from a charge. I corrected him and said the actual figure quoted by Audi is 240 but then that is a manufacturer figure and Audi states this may not reflect real world driving and factors such as driving style, use of heater / air con or any equipment using electric, passengers, outside climate (especially a cold UK winter), acceleration and gradients etc will ALL decimate the range. This is also a Guy who regularly does some long distance driving !

You could buy an Audi A6 or BMW 5 series diesel with a driving range of 500-600 miles both of which are very clean cars now.

As also noted above, goodness knows what the complications and costs will be when these cars go wrong or need new batteries

 

[AlS3BE]

Till they make it more mainstream and find better ways to mine raw materials and produce the batteries it’s a no no for me, costs when something goes wrong is too high and if enough of these goes wrong there will be a clause in the warranty like dpf that we weren’t using it properly. Lithium ion battery technology dates back to the 80s so well out of date compared to the rest of the tech in the car. It almost like shoving an 8 track player in your shiny new Audi. Battery tech is still playing catch up with the rest of the technology world. Just look at mobile phones, all they’ve managed is make processors and screens consume less power and more efficient but the battery tech hasn’t changed in years.

 

[JohnM100]

This thread has gone quite a way off topic already, but since it is now the electric car debate:

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/19/electric-car-well-to-wheel-emissions-myth/




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[Snake Pliskin]

The article does confirm that electric cars use up more Co2 to manufacture than a diesel / petrol car ... but this figure reduces as the cars are driven.

That may be fine, but what if you are a low miles driver ... you may only use a tank of fuel every month and that may be lower Co2 than a battery car with all its battery production Co2 and disposal down the line.

If you can get a battery car with real world 600 mile range to match a diesel then I could possibly be convinced ... but we are FAR from that point.

 

[r10jdl]

Weird question but you weren't in Cross Hands in Carmarthenshire today were you? Saw one exactly same as yours with same first half of the reg that i saw in Leekes car park before driving past.

Yes that was me. I work for the Leekes group You weren’t in a white TT were you?

 

[r10jdl]

Mine just got delivered by the very same driver, nice guy named Kev
Drove it down to the petrol station to fill the tank then straight back home to park it on the drive whilst I went back to work in my van (no pics yet but very happy). I gotta say really pleasant and simple experience from the initial contact with DTD right through to on time delivery from Southampton Audi. By far the easiest, smoothest and best deal I’ve ever got on a new car .
I love it! Just got to re familiarise myself with the car but a good 400 mile round trip this weekend should help sort that. Like you, ******** by the tax man but I just don’t care, may wince on renewals though

Navara? He’d unloaded by the time I got home. But he said that he was heading Swansea way. He did the same with petrol for me, but I drove.

 

[zaka7]

Hydrogen power should be the way to go, but then there is far less money to be made by the big boys with the infrastructure upgrades and far less argument for taxes based on emissions.
Hydrogen is never going to run out, it's only bi-product is water, and manufacturers have already proved it can be done!
Shell are investing more heavily in it, so maybe it will happen.

 

[listers_socks]

Yes that was me. I work for the Leekes group You weren’t in a white TT were you?

No i was in my S3, was only in there 15 mins as went without the wife...

Didn't notice it on way in but saw it on way out when going back to car, looked good