iv been made to look a fool on here more than once as iv said some thing i read in parkers lol and i dont need any help looking stupid ;-) not saying you look like a fool mate just so you no lol
No mate, matter of fact is i fill to the brim, drive on then fill to the brim again when the fuel light comes on again(i also thrown a few litres of petrol in the tank once for good measure !). I might be biased but the v6 tdi i am talking about had lowered compression (thicker head gaskets) and 2 brand new cylinder heads fitted 9k miles ago(all work done by myself). The v6 is nothing to drive like the pd engine wich is either on or off boost. The v6 actually has torque to get-it going without having to rely on the turbo like the PD lumps. I'll post a picture of the petrol slips on wich i noted the mileage as i traveled, the DIS is missing pixels and i do the maths. I do not ******** nobody but the v6 is a great engine when it runs right. As with regards of tunned tdi's, in Slovakia there's a twin turbocharged v6 tdi with garrett blowers from 2.2dti opel vectra wich runs 400 bhp in drag form and 350 as a reliable daily drive. With 5-600 Nm of torque from tick-over, it might not be pleasant to drive but definately not slouch. Anytime you drive down to london, give me a ring and i'll take-you for a drive in me a4 quattro- few chaps here been in it and can wouch its not slouch yet it still returns 30Mpg in town. Please do not confuse it with the a6 wich i use for towing, i have 3 audi quattro's: w reg a6 tdi quattro, b5 audi a4 tdi quattro and allroad tdi quattro (this is a thirsty beast but also weighs 2 tonnes !) wich i bought to replace the a6 tdi quattro sport (with the trailer on and the Twin ABT Sportsline exhaust, the tailpipes were only 2" off the ground when on tow wich isnt practical in my book hence getting the allroad)...Lots of contradications in the MPG coming out the woodwork now isnt there?
Lostbok claims a peak of 36mpg, quattrojames's DIS shows 29.2mpg, yet adams claiming 40mpg+ and 500+ miles to a tank? Rose tinted specs i think.
Dervs are horrible to drive, with nothing low down, a big wodge of torque comes in then your jammed against the governor just when things should be getting moving. A remapped 1.8T will also deliver huge amounts of torque, but unlike the derv will hold it for much longer and actually gives a pleasing driving experience.
If your buying a diesel, your buying it because you want something economical, and that engine simply isnt.
This is what i keep telling people ! They would not fit ASR or ESP to a diesel if the engine could not break traction for once...The newer the cars the lardier they get and they dont feel fast but with the v6 they are smooth... Why i like the b5 is the chassys is short and the v6 tdi can pull-it nicely allong. The 2.4 is pants, even 2.8 quattro has trouble keeping with the v6 tdi up to 100 Mph. After that the petrol lump will be better due to gearing and higher revs. Diesels are not built for drag racing- gearing is too low- but on real world they can stretch their legs and give petrol engines (of comparable displacement) a good run for their money !I'm with Chris again and it is no ******** about the mpg I've got to grips with mine now a4 v6 tdi avant quattro auto and on a run once upto temp it will do as high as 46 mpg. now I will be updating this as I'm planning a surf trip soon so will be more postage as and when but driving locally I can still get 30-32 mpg with a little enthusiastic driving thrown in to so if you haven't driven one then you won't no how ****** good they really are I love driving mine and another thing is you have to drive a diesel totally different to a petrol car they don't rev as high so you have to change up quicker I think a 2.5 v6 tdi would smash a 2.4 v6 petrol even in standard form upto about a ton and I recon a 190 bhp 1.8 t would get left to with the right person behind the wheel
This is what i keep telling people ! They would not fit ASR or ESP to a diesel if the engine could not break traction for once...The newer the cars the lardier they get and they dont feel fast but with the v6 they are smooth... Why i like the b5 is the chassys is short and the v6 tdi can pull-it nicely allong. The 2.4 is pants, even 2.8 quattro has trouble keeping with the v6 tdi up to 100 Mph. After that the petrol lump will be better due to gearing and higher revs. Diesels are not built for drag racing- gearing is too low- but on real world they can stretch their legs and give petrol engines (of comparable displacement) a good run for their money !
well if your going to put vids up of tdis ;-) i love the sound of this tdi thats one of the things i miss about not having a petrol
YouTube - Audi A4 V6 2.5TDi new exhaust sounds
I never compared them like for like, the audi was the pioneering of tdi technology in passenger cars since earl eighties. Back then diesels were dirty,slow and lacking performance. When the technology moved on, they were a bit more rafinate but the seed was still in the brits mind. The 3.3 CR v8 engine was fitted in the a8 in the 98 and is a masterpiece smooth,refined and economical above all. They still did not sell it here though because brits were still lusting after big petrol engines and the petrol was cheap. Then the audi was the first to put a big v6 lump in their a4 and called that sport. It might not set your bum on fire but it does go well ! Now, with the v6 tdi they offered decent performance and reasonable economy in a complete package. I am not comparing 1.8TQS wich are a limited model but run off the mill tdi engined cars. From point to point you cannot beat a lazy, v6 tdi engine. The engine has soo much torque from nearly tickover and you can get in top gear without seeing 2000 rpm. This is what i call confortable. Also the c6 is only clattery for a minute in the morning but drop the CR and it goes nice and quiet whilst returning better economy but will require 1 sec. of prolonged cranking. Drive the v6 like a lunatic (all on redline) and you wont get it to drop below 25Mpg, trust me, i tried ! take+it easy on motorway and it will go high 40 s Mpg. The beauty with the diesel i no matter how tuned the engine is there will allways be more economical compared to a petrol lump. Yeah, you can go all balls out with a 1.8T but that is because there are off the shelf tuning parts developed for it. In europe you cannot get modded VP44 pumps but in the states there are modded ones able to fuel 1000Bhp 6L Cummins engines. With the right map they can be used on the tdi as well ! The bottom end will take 500 Bhp easily on a diesel and the rods are allreadz forged so no need to upgrade there. The main problem with tdi is the torque as there are not many clutches who can take 600Nm of torque from tickover. Zes, you can build triple clutches able to take the torque but that defeats the point as they cost big money ! Firad or DSS Ultime can build whatever size nozzles you want from blanks so there is no problem there. Its putting them toghether thats difficult because i dont know nobody who can write a good map wich will take all them mods into account. The v6 tdi is built very stout from factory but getting twice the factory torque and Bhp will be a challenge. I am shure you will love having a 250 Bhp-500Nm diesel engine as a daily, you wont look back for real !The figures quoted came streight out of my 2000 manual.
Theres no technical modification on mine presumably becuase my manual was printed after yours, ie its already included.
You've said you can remap it, and i've also said you can remap a 1.8T. You've said you can fit a big turbo, and again you can fit a big turbo to a 1.8T. You can go on and on, but at the end of the day, every mod you do to the TDI has a petrol equivalent, until you reach the limit of the fuel pump on the TDI, and then the 1.8T walks away. 350hp on a 1.8T needs a gt28rs, remap and some injectors, plus a set of rods for safety unless you feel brave. 350hp from a 2.5tdi on the other hand....
This is all going round in circles anyway, and is getting a bit pointless. My original point was that personally i dont see any point in the 2.5tdi engine. If you want performance, you buy a petrol, if you want economy you buy a 4pot derv. The 2.5 is wedged in the middle, they cost a huge amount more to buy than a petrol with some of the performance benefits, but poor economy and your living with diesel clatter and black reek. Its also spectacularly unreliable, as people on here will attest, and while the 1.8T has oil issues, those are easily mitigated by good servicing, unlike the VP44 which is in effect a time bomb that may drop a grands worth of expense in your lap at any moment.
I will call you friday Dan, need to sell the a6 first, just got back from Mot... the chap is picking the a6 tomorrow so i will have a few hundred notes spare of wich missus does not know ! I fricking have 2nd thoughts about selling this a6 as its such a nice drive, 183k and not a ratle or squeak or nothing + fully built engine as well ! The allroad i have is a heap compared to this but it has Bose, leather, xenons and is soo clean inside + lower mileage as well... I picked it for a song but allready spent a grand sorting it for Mot and still to go in the bodyshop for full colour codding. It will then look dope but god i hate air suspension ! Fortunately i will keep the b5 for a while as it ticks all the right boxes but i wont be able to put up with a nagging missus for long !I can do you an exhaust whenever you want Chris just give me a call 07787 524648 mate no problem
Now I no what your saying about the petrol cars they can be modded easier than a diesel to get big bhp out of em but I'm a mates garage there's a 1.8t with a cracked head between exhaust valves then my mate has just blown his 1.8 t rod out the side of the block so I can't see how you say they r any more reliable than a 2.5 v6 tdi the cam probs on the diesel is ok bad but this is due to long life oil changes to be honest nothing is going to last on long gap oil changes so we cn beg to differ but there is pros and cons in any motor I've run fiesta turbos with full zerec turbo install with gt28 rs turbo at about 375 bhp and yeah it's quick but no where near as nice to drive as my a4 diesel the same as my 200 sx
What I'm saying is you haven't driven one so you can't really comment until you have
Make a trip down to see Chris he will change your mind from what ive heard
You can find contradictions wherever you're looking if you take stuff out of context. My old 2.0 8v Golf GTI with high-lift cams could average 12-15mpg on a tank if they were on a cold engine or stop-start: I don't slate all N/A petrol engines with having the same problem.Lots of contradications in the MPG coming out the woodwork now isnt there?
I never claimed any such thing: Peak on a single run of >200 miles has been around 42mpg, but that's ferrying 90yr old relatives at 65-75mph and starting with a warm engine, both of which make a good difference. My "claim" was that 33-36mpg is my normal mpg rates, not peakLostbok claims a peak of 36mpg, quattrojames's DIS shows 29.2mpg, yet adams claiming 40mpg+ and 500+ miles to a tank? Rose tinted specs i think.
Erm.. yes... if you're driving a PD (LINK) car, then that would be correct: a 115PD is PD and tuned for a narrow lump of uber-economic torque... and nothing else. A 130TDI PAssat is also a PD and also tuned for economy primarily, which is even more frustrating due to the lump of 300lb/ft torque in the middle of nothing else - even the 1.9TDI VP37 engine can feel faster due to to the wider torque delivery, despite the lower peak bhp....a big wodge of torque comes in then your jammed against the governor just when things should be getting moving.
I could've sworn it was 60ltr on fwd and 66 on awd?