I think the traction is megga on all EV AWD cars, just watch the Audi RS cars at the indoor ski slope on you tube, the ETron RS had zero issue
RS3 v Tesla 3 Performance
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Tesla has its own issues in the cold. Like reduced performance and increased battery drain. So she can gloat, with available power and range sapped by 50 percent. Plus ask her how the wind noise is at 65mph…
Believe me I have been trying my absolute hardest to hate the Tesla.
But so far I am impressed by many aspects of the car.
Funny you should mention wind noise, as there isn't any at all.
The build quality appears to have improved massively as panel gaps / fit & finish all excellent and not a single rattle.
For what it is (an EV) it is very good I have to concede.
When I did my test drive I never noticed any wind noise and after all the build quality reports I looked at panel gaps etc, I didnt notice anything too hideous there either, one thing though the Pandora installer did say once you start pulling trim off the poor quality does show with locating pegs snapping etc
It would be interesting to hear your thoughts and findings on performance and range through this cold spell
So far so good. Her last car was a Golf GTE (mild hybrid) and the elec range on that was a joke. you could always half what the gauge says and in winter as soon as you start using the heater on full whack is decimated the range half again. The Tesla has a heat pump fitted so I think that may have improved things too.
pmsl there is some irony isn't there
I do view the car slightly differently though as its not my car albeit I get to use it at weekends etc.
I would still pick an ICE car for myself without question.
You can reduce the range on a Tesla in the cold. I traded my model 3 performance 3 months ago. In winter it was 125 to 150 miles of range. In summer about 225 real world - so a big reduction. That said I agree that there is a lot to like. Build quality is fine. Not 65k fine but 40k fine. It’s nowhere near an Audi. The heat pump doesn’t help with performance in winter - in fact it’s the opposite. It’s been found to make it harder to keep the batteries up to temp and in turn reducing performance. Maybe folks won’t care in the winter but the M3P is only a 3.1 second car when it’s warm out and the battery is over 85 percent.
I don’t personally disagree with you but … the government are already reducing all the financial incentives to buy EV’s plus rising costs of electricity and it’s impacting on sales already - so I can’t see them doing that.
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It gives me no joy to see that
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Interesting that it was said on here by ClerkP that the model 3 Performance only gives the full acceleration when battery is over 80% and the winter range dropped to 125-150 mile....................real world they're not as attractive
I understand range anxiety is a thing and seems to put people off without even trying one but it's just not an issue. I installed a Tesla wall-charger and it take a few hours to charge to 80% from nearly flat but it's parked on my drive for 10 hours every night - when i change to Octopus Go, it will cost £7 to charge at home.
I did 300 mile trip yesterday up't north, left the house with 220 miles of range. Did mostly 8 - 8.5 mph all the way there which is not the best way to save range and it was pretty much empty 150 miles later. Topped up at a supercharger at Ferrybridge services while having a cheeky whopper which put it back up to 220 ish miles in about 20 mins.
The 150-mile journey home was busy so spent most of the time at 6.5-7mph.
Got in the car this morning, still has 60 miles.
If I had left with 100% charge (which you only do if you know you're going on a long journey) the range would have started with an extra 150 miles. I've done Banbury to Cardiff and back on one charge and it cost £16.
My M4cp would stop at the pump at £99 (max spend) and I'd get 250-280 miles at most.
Yes it's bland and silent but it's very fast and cheap, highly spec'd and full of tech.
I did 300 mile trip yesterday up't north, left the house with 220 miles of range. Did mostly 8 - 8.5 mph all the way there which is not the best way to save range and it was pretty much empty 150 miles later. Topped up at a supercharger at Ferrybridge services while having a cheeky whopper which put it back up to 220 ish miles in about 20 mins.
The 150-mile journey home was busy so spent most of the time at 6.5-7mph.
Got in the car this morning, still has 60 miles.
If I had left with 100% charge (which you only do if you know you're going on a long journey) the range would have started with an extra 150 miles. I've done Banbury to Cardiff and back on one charge and it cost £16.
My M4cp would stop at the pump at £99 (max spend) and I'd get 250-280 miles at most.
Yes it's bland and silent but it's very fast and cheap, highly spec'd and full of tech.
Whilst I agree with most of what you say, there are still some range related issues IMO.
When we go on holiday later this year, in theory the car 'should' make it to the airport and back on one full charge.
BUT it could be very tight and bearing in mind, these cars burn 1% of charge per day just being stationary, over 14 days that could be 45 miles worth of range zapped.
As the airport does not appear to offer any 'drop car and return fully charged' services I think we will need to plan an extra 30-60 mins to our outbound journey to ensure we charge up close to the airport so it has enough range for when we land - as at that point we will just want to get home and pi%% around charging.
In our petrol car we would have made the journey 100% on a full tank of petrol or just call off for 5 mins and fill up.
With an EV you do still have to plan ahead for longer journeys, especially time sensitive ones like catching a flight.
Otherwise I do have to admit the car has exceeded my expectations and I do actually enjoy driving it.
Only niggles so far are flush door handles hard to locate / open in the dark / no key fob for opening the boot / biggest niggle: no parking sensors, reliant on a silent camera - not till you don't have them you realise how useful they are for quick easy parking.
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Eh, really, no parking sensors?!
I’ve found my car doesn’t lose any power if you make sure Sentry Mode is turned off and you don’t fiddle with the app
We went on holiday to Cornwall last year and took the Tesla over the X3 and it was pretty painless, charging stops were quick and came up around the time we needed to stop because the little one needed to get out and move. Once there I just got an extension lead out the window and charged on the mains so we were topped up for local trips
Some Teslas have dropped 10k in 3 months.
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Crikey that article is a sobering read isn’t it.
What newspaper was that mate ?
Very very interesting.
Since watched this too
Hadn’t considered some EV’s can’t be pushed when they break down / have zero charge - where you stop, you stop !
You could be just a few metres from a charger but if the cable won’t reach, you’re stuck and need the RAC.
I think with the Leccy cars, if you are pottering around your locality with 40-50 mile trips, they are ideal imo. But for literally anything else, we are all just not ready. I don't like to have to 'plan' any car journey so that I could charge, furthermore I don't appreciate when my plan fails because the charger isn't working or the queue is 10 cars deep. I have a friend with an Ionic, it's a lovely car, but the stories I get from him reinforces my belief - as he says you rarely see a Taycan motoring along at 90mph, because of course it just destroys the range. I wish the early adopters well, without them we wouldn't take it forwards....... but as a petrolhead, it will be a sad day not to hear that 5-Cyl, flat 6, v8 or v12...........
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I have only ever seen one single EV being driven in anger, without fail every one I see is just pottering along #rangeanxiety
How much pollution and CO2 is created with every battery made? Better off just keeping what we own for longer. Consumerism is destroying the planet not cars.
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How much pollution and CO2 is created with every battery made? Better off just keeping what we own for longer. Consumerism is destroying the planet not cars.
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Which doesn't make sense. I drive mine like I stole it all the time because it literally costs me 2 quid to fill it up whereas with my old m140i I'd be nursing it most of the time because it cost 60 quid a pop to fill up and the tank so small that you'd struggle to get 200 miles from a tank
more doom for the poor old EV's
uk.yahoo.com
Electric cars now more costly than petrol for long journeys
The cost of charging an electric car on the road has soared by nearly 60pc in eight months, making the vehicles more costly to run on long journeys than petrol motors.
I saw that this morning and it made me chuckle. Along with this one:more doom for the poor old EV's
Electric cars now more costly than petrol for long journeys
The cost of charging an electric car on the road has soared by nearly 60pc in eight months, making the vehicles more costly to run on long journeys than petrol motors.
I just don't see how EV's are going to work. My kids were at a party on Saturday night and they got an extra hour in their mates house minus the parents as they were charging their car to get home. How is that practical? My brother bought an EV then a Hybrid and is now back in a Petrol Merc. Said it just wasn't worth the hassle ( Decreased range in cold weather etc ) How do EV's fare in the likes of Scandanavian countries I wonder?. It's not the way forward IMHO.
I'd have one as a second car for local journeys, however after the chaos i witnessed on the way back from Northumberland at Xmas, it does make you think how difficult it is to recharge them while further out.
Thats a 'little unfair' as fast chargers are charging twice the price per KW/hr of a home charger, so yes if you are going big distances across country and using the 'fast chargers' it's going to cost you more, but you can't use the fast chargers all the time either as they reduce the life of the battery.more doom for the poor old EV's
Electric cars now more costly than petrol for long journeys
The cost of charging an electric car on the road has soared by nearly 60pc in eight months, making the vehicles more costly to run on long journeys than petrol motors.
For home charging compared to say a petrol car doing 35mpg and an EV doing 3mile/kw the equivalent costs would be:
EV, £4.08p/35miles,
Petrol, £6.75/35 miles @ £1.50 litre
The problem has definitely gone from range anxiety to charger anxiety.
James May also mentions this in a recent article.
EV's are fine if you can get to where you are going and back on a single charge, but introduce the need to charge (especially in an area where there are limited charging options) and it creates a potential problem / annoyance.
He decided in the end to take his 911, as that can be filled up at a petrol station in and out in 5 minutes problem solved and i totally get that.
James May also mentions this in a recent article.
EV's are fine if you can get to where you are going and back on a single charge, but introduce the need to charge (especially in an area where there are limited charging options) and it creates a potential problem / annoyance.
He decided in the end to take his 911, as that can be filled up at a petrol station in and out in 5 minutes problem solved and i totally get that.
But many people won't give a monkeys about ruining the battery by fast charging it anyway........it's always been touted as a benefit of Tesla ownership.
looking at used Tesla model 3 values, a car that was high 40's early 50's money this time last year is now low 30's to buy similar.
I wonder when the 'charger anxiety' turns to 'charger rage?' I get well pizzed off when I’m waiting my turn at the fuel pump and the person in front returns to their car and starts messing around instead of just driving off. (someone returned last week and proceeded to refill his windscreen washer bottle with a queue behind him)
If I was sat waiting for a charger and the charge cycle completed with no sign of the owner to move his/her car for maybe 10-15minutes I think i'd be doing an 'Incredible Hulk' impersonation
If I was sat waiting for a charger and the charge cycle completed with no sign of the owner to move his/her car for maybe 10-15minutes I think i'd be doing an 'Incredible Hulk' impersonation
The Tesla sales girl told me the fast charging thing, said they tried to refuse a sale to someone who had no other way to charge it.
I agree that at the moment an EV would make a handy 'run around'
Thought this was a really interesting article and was surprised about how pro EV until he got to charger availability.
Charging Infrastructure is going to be critical for a successful transition to EVs which does not bode well give this country’s record of rolling out stuff like this such as broad band which should be a lot easier.
Couple of examples that illustrate some of the less than obvious challenges
Guy I worked with wanted to get an electric company car due to the tax advantages but before ordering got someone round to cost up installing a charger in his garage only to be told his and the wiring into his two neighbours houses would need to be upgraded as they were on a shared supply. Quote for this went into 5 figures so that was the end of that.
local Audi dealer has two charging points and they obviously want more but can’t have them until the electricity company installs a new substation but first they need to find somewhere to site it.
Also a there were a few articles in the press overcthe Xmas break on how close we were to not having enough generation capacity to meet demand. Be interesting to see how this plays out as more people transition and want to charge their cars
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From experience it's really not that difficult, but maybe that's because I've got a Tesla or because I don't travel during busy periods.
Like I said, went to Cornwall on holiday in the summer and it was no problem at all. My usual long drive between Newcastle and London is a doddle, I can do it with one stop in the summer and two in the winter. The charge takes less time than it does for me to go for a **** and grab a coffee - if anything I wish it would charge slower so I don't have to rush back to the car....
As for charging costs, yeah if you're using nothing but public chargers then it's expensive but at home it's peanuts.
The reality is if you don't have a drive and a home charger then they're impractical and expensive to run and I'd recommend staying well clear but if you do have those things then they're great.
I had this problem when I got my charger installed but they installed a CT clamp to get around it
