Audi S3 - 0-60mph =3.77, 0-100mph = 8.92

J6YAK said:
That's very impressive for just a tuning box!!
Can you confirm which map you are using, is it 3+3 ?
I'm just running mine on what ever it came with as not had a chance to play around with it yet.
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Map 3 + 3 is the best setting for road use and 99 octane fuel for sure. I've tested and tested and tested. Map 4 + 3 ends up tailing off and pulling back timing 100+, this results in a slightly slower 1/4m time and a good few mph down on map 3+3. (2nd event below was run on Map 4 + 3)

1st Event - 12.01 @ 114.5mph
2nd Event - 12.06 @ 110.3mph
3rd Event - 12.00 @ 113.9mph
4th Event - 12.00 @ 117.2mph
5th Event - 11.90 @ 119.7mph

However, map 4 + 3 does have its benefits to which I wont go too much more into:thumbs up:

Car is running standard intake and panel filter, standard exhaust with all cats in place and standard intercooler. Road tyres are the standard conti sports and car is definitely running full weight.

Now for Stage 2 :)
 
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I think that is so impressive for just a tuning box, when you think of how ppl spend thousands and still don't get into the 11s

I remember a standard escort cosworth big turbo model did quarters in mid to hi 13's early 14s and that weighed a lot less than the cars of today and they were 280bhp back then

So for a fairly heavy car to get into the 11s rly does impress me
 
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lee_fr200 said:
I think that is so impressive for just a tuning box, when you think of how ppl spend thousands and still don't get into the 11s

I remember a standard escort cosworth big turbo model did quarters in mid to hi 13's early 14s and that weighed a lot less than the cars of today and they were 280bhp back then

So for a fairly heavy car to get into the 11s rly does impress me
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The times are flattering due to a mixture of 4wd / launch control and DSG transmissions in my opinion. Add in a fairly lightweight car sub 1500kgs and a decent amount of power and the right ingredients are there.
 
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I'd agree that AWD/DSG/LC will help massively against cars without that equipment but I'm amazed that Audi can produce a 2L turbo car capable of these power outputs while still remaining usable and not ridiculously laggy.

You don't have to go back far to find 2L turbo cars pushing out circa 200bhp with really unpleasant amounts of lag (early big turbo Escort Cosworth IIRC?) so to get ~370bhp in a driveable package is just incredible. Compare the S3 to something like the FQ400 Evo as another example.

Will the rumoured Golf R400 use the same turbo setup and be similarly driveable?
 
Leo-83 said:
Map 3 + 3 is the best setting for road use and 99 octane fuel for sure. I've tested and tested and tested. Map 4 + 3 ends up tailing off and pulling back timing 100+, this results in a slightly slower 1/4m time and a good few mph down on map 3+3. (2nd event below was run on Map 4 + 3)

1st Event - 12.01 @ 114.5mph
2nd Event - 12.06 @ 110.3mph
3rd Event - 12.00 @ 113.9mph
4th Event - 12.00 @ 117.2mph
5th Event - 11.90 @ 119.7mph

However, map 4 + 3 does have its benefits to which I wont go too much more into:thumbs up:

Car is running standard intake and panel filter, standard exhaust with all cats in place and standard intercooler. Road tyres are the standard conti sports and car is definitely running full weight.

Now for Stage 2 :)
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Cheers Leo, I've now changed to 3+3 and does feel good!!
I saw you run a few times at Crail German Invasion and looked pretty good. I didn't run but will do next time and looking for low 12s as mine is a manual.
Which exhaust and intake you going for? I've got my name down for the APR intake and prob get some sort of exhaust next year.
Looking forward to your times when it's stage 2
 
It really is amazing how the technology has developed.

I've been toying with getting an Intergrale EVO I or II and recently took a mildly tuned (250hp) one out for a drive - It was terrible, really disapointing with the way they pull. I guess, Never meet your hero, rings true!
 
J6YAK said:
Cheers Leo, I've now changed to 3+3 and does feel good!!
I saw you run a few times at Crail German Invasion and looked pretty good. I didn't run but will do next time and looking for low 12s as mine is a manual.
Which exhaust and intake you going for? I've got my name down for the APR intake and prob get some sort of exhaust next year.
Looking forward to your times when it's stage 2
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I ordered the APR intake and Scorpion downpipe from Awesome GTI about 6wks ago now, I'm not sure what's happening with them, reminds me to give them a bell.

I fitted a pedalbox last night and have to say I was very impressed with it. On testing with vbox it made no difference to my times so its not an out out performance enhancer but I would highly recommend as it just makes the driving experience that little bit more pleasant. It all but eliminates turbo lag and makes acceleration easier, especially if you are caught out of gear. On an S-tronic car running a 1/4m, it wont make any difference as 100% throttle is 100% throttle and you don't lift on an acceleration run. However, I think it 'may' improve times for manual transmission cars as you're on and off the throttle in between gears and the much better response may have an effect on the times. Even if it doesn't improve performance, it improves the driving experience, for anyone thinking about one, I would say it's a worthwhile mod, especially if you get it as part of a bundle deal with the tuning box.

Cheers, will no doubt bump into you at some point at Crail :thumbs up:
 
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Leo - I'm totally ignorant to the pedal box. Can I use this with my MTM Canttonic or is it linked to the DTUK Box thingy? I got a short shifter coming already and think this may work quite well!

Also cant believe the tuning box uses jumpers, reminds me of my ZX Spectrum joystick interphase haha!
 
I was ignorant to the pedal box too, never really had a thought about it as dynamic mode seemed to be sharp enough.

It's actually hard to explain until you experience it, if you think dynamic mode is responsive, the pedalbox is in another league, it's ridiculously responsive, it's hard to describe, probably like speed of light vs speed of sound. I always thought the delay when accelerating in some gears was down to turbo lag, that is obviously not the case, it's throttle lag as with the pedalbox, the throttle lag seems to have disappeared. I find it helps very well in D (comfort/efficiency mode) greatest where this lag is very noticeable. Just makes it more pleasant.

Yes, I know, my thoughts exactly when I was fiddling around with the jumpers, it works though so I cant really complain.

The pedalbox will work independently of a tuning box, there's no linkage between tuning box and pedal box. if you are a manual transmission car, my thoughts are it will help performance as there will be no lag coming back on boost in the next upward gear when accelerating hard. Short shift kit will just shorten the throw, not sure that will improve times personally, perhaps, I've fitted them before and they sure make the box feel sportier, not sure they ever improved the times though
 
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lee_fr200 said:
Is there different settings for the pedal box?
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There are 3 main settings of Eco / Sport / Sport +, however, each of these modes can be fine tuned 3 steps back and 3 steps forward giving a total of 7 settings for each mode. (-3,-2,1,0,1,2,3)

I went straight to Sport + and then dialled in +3 so at its maximum setting, I found this setting too jerky so it's now on Sport + and +1.

I haven't tried the other modes as this one feels fine to me. You can change the settings on the fly as long as your foot is off the pedal so it's quick and easy to test in order to come to your own 'best setting'

At £150 if you already have the tuning box, it's worth the money for sure as it transforms the way you accelerate. Some of us are away to blow £450 on a fancy intake that may or may not give a noticeable increase in performance so it's all relative, £150 for this is cheap as chips, as is the £550 for both option. A tuner will charge you £550+ for remap alone and will have no resale value when you sell the car.

£550 for both knowing you will probably recoup a minimum of £350 back when you come to sell the car, A complete no brainer when viewed like that:thumbs up:

Btw, I do not know Andrew from Adam, I have never met the chap, just giving honest reviews based on my own testing of the products on offer.
 
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It's alright Leo I've read some of your previous posts especially when you were first enquiring about the tuning box,

Would the intake and exhaust void the warranty? Also is the intake just a filter and pipe work or is it a inlet manifold filter and pipe work?
 
I guess in the strictest sense being black and white, yes it would invalidate the warranty should something happen to the engine that can be proven to be directly linked to that part (easier said than done)

The intake is just a carbon box that replaces the standard intake, I guess the vast majority of people would swap it back out should there be an issue for any warranty work. The intake is the carbon fibre box and the turbo intake pipe, probably 15mins max to remove/fit.

Exhaust is a bit more tricky obviously but if you get the performance downpipe and keep the standard catback, I think you would have to be extremely unlucky to be caught out for that. There would be no visual difference to alert them to that part if for example you just opted for a performance sports cat downpipe. Again, they would have to prove that this was the cause of the problem.

It's a bonus these tuning boxes don't flag TD1 warranty coding.
 
Exactly, and yeah changed many induction piping and exhausts in my time, I'd personally prefer just a sportcat down pipe so it doesn't bring the eml on. The rest of the exhaust including the tips I like, although I'd consider an akrapovic if it was priced right.
 
Hi Guys, I installed the DTUK tuning box and now we are talking about an S3. The car definitely pulls harder and it's kind of smoother than before, specially when you downshift. Think I'm going for the Pedal box as well. Great service and support from Andrew from DTUK.
 
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I just did a 1/4 mile test with the DTUK tuning box on 3+3 and got similar numbers as Leo-83. 1/4 mile 12.00 secs and I calculated with a software the 0-60 and I got 3.89secs. This was on daylight at 33C degrees.
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alexcarrizo said:
I just did a 1/4 mile test with the DTUK tuning box on 3+3 and got similar numbers as Leo-83. 1/4 mile 12.00 secs and I calculated with a software the 0-60 and I got 3.89secs. This was on daylight at 33C degrees.
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Good time

You should try getting it to a dragstrip or using the 'industry standard' racelogic vbox unit.

There are a couple of inaccuracies in your timeslip above that stand out. Your 60ft time is well off for a launched 4wd car, my 60ft times are consistent 1.7-1.8 (normal for a well launched 4wd car, 2.3 is what you would expect from a fwd car struggling with grip) If this was the case you wouldn't have managed a sub 4 sec 0-60mph run

Secondly, your end speed of 162kmh is barely 100mph. You should be doing a minimum 185kmh for a 12.00 run

Obviously if you are only doing 162kmh you're running a slow 0-100mph time (mine is 8.9secs, yours appears to be literally 12secs)

Certainly though if you're happy with the way the car is running then all good, you should try another app, timing method or go to the dragstrip if you can. The more data you have to compare the better.

Good efforts, nice to see others getting good results :)
 
Leo-83 said:
Good time

You should try getting it to a dragstrip or using the 'industry standard' racelogic vbox unit.

There are a couple of inaccuracies in your timeslip above that stand out. Your 60ft time is well off for a launched 4wd car, my 60ft times are consistent 1.7-1.8 (normal for a well launched 4wd car, 2.3 is what you would expect from a fwd car struggling with grip) If this was the case you wouldn't have managed a sub 4 sec 0-60mph run

Secondly, your end speed of 162kmh is barely 100mph. You should be doing a minimum 185kmh for a 12.00 run

Obviously if you are only doing 162kmh you're running a slow 0-100mph time (mine is 8.9secs, yours appears to be literally 12secs)

Certainly though if you're happy with the way the car is running then all good, you should try another app, timing method or go to the dragstrip if you can. The more data you have to compare the better.

Good efforts, nice to see others getting good results :)
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Yeah I know, this is only an app and I don't believe it too much, but the numbers are similar to what you got. I'm going to a drag strip soon and we'll let you know tje results.
 
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Feeling any difference with the new intake??? Contemplating getting one.
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Haven't yet driven it, I'll have a hard run with it tonight and vbox test later on in the week. I hope to see improvements on my 3.77 and 8.92 60/100 times.

I shall update after testing.

Next up is the Forge FMIC, hopefully get that installed in the next week or so and then last but not least, I'll get the downpipe on the car as soon as it's released by Scorpion.
 
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Leo-83 said:
Haven't yet driven it, I'll have a hard run with it tonight and vbox test later on in the week. I hope to see improvements on my 3.77 and 8.92 60/100 times.

I shall update after testing.

Next up is the Forge FMIC, hopefully get that installed in the next week or so and then last but not least, I'll get the downpipe on the car as soon as it's released by Scorpion.
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Looking forward to some results. How much is the intake from APR?
 
APR Carbon Intake - £449 - http://www.awesomegti.com/apr-carbon-intake-system-audi-s3-8v-2-0tfsi
VWR racing - £299 - http://www.awesomegti.com/car/audi/s3-8v/volkswagen-racing-intake-system-audi-s3-8v
Pipercross - £339 - http://www.awesomegti.com/car/audi/s3-8v/pipercross-induction-kit-audi-s3-8v

APR is expensive but not overly so, there's a £150 difference between the cheapest and most expensive.

The 2 cheaper intakes are open cone, they're ugly looking things and look cheap with the heat shield that looks to have been constructed in a back yard workshop. I suspect the open cone intakes will also lose you power rather than gain you anything due to sucking in warm air from the engine bay. Open cone will also be a lot noisier and ''boy racer'' like.

When you take that into consideration, its probably better spending that extra £110-150, you'll get a much nicer product and you'll benefit performance wise from it being a closed air induction system.

All the marketing blurb makes for interesting reading too..

http://www.goapr.co.uk/products/intake_ea888_gen3_mqb.html

I reckon in real terms this will cost you around £200, as I imagine resale value when you get rid of the car will be a minimum of £250.

Have to say, it's a quality bit of kit, I have given it a good hard thrashing last night and sound wise there is a little bit more turbo noise but not much, perhaps an extra 10%, it's certainly not a loud intake system. Performance wise, It seems to be a little punchier but will get the vbox on at some time to see if it makes any difference to acceleration times sometime later this week.
 
Thanks, some good reading on the APR website. I'd by far rather spend a little more money and get quality. Ive been thinking about it for a while like I did before buying the DTUK box, which was some money seriously well spent. Will make a final decision with what you come back with after taking yours for a good hard drive. Thanks for the info :)
 
Just wondering if any of you lads that have fitted one of the boxes have the same turbo as mine from the batch that have had failures
06K 145 702 N
 
veeeight said:
Yes

See this thread:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/s3-turbo-issues-reported.224078/

But it's difficult to pin point the exact batch, the part number remained the same before, and after the dodgy batch.

The dodgy batch was "sometime in April/May 2014", and I'm not sure of the quantity involved.
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Aye I remember reading that was the case, took delivery of mine June last year so hopefully its not one of the affected ones. Just have to buy a box and find out :) Although my turbo was made 16/04/14 just under 7000miles and nothing yet so fingers crossed!
 
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I bought my car on May 2014, so i believe it is Jan-March production (probably N series). The box was installed on Sep with 2000 miles on the clock. No issue at all. BTW i uninstalled it yesterday for service on monday. Lets see if something is detected.
 
Leo-83 said:
Decided to go down the tuning box route for now as I am the world's most impatient man. That along with the TD1 warranty flags and the tuners ''it is a couple of weeks away" I decided to give one a bash.

To to cut a long story short...



0-60mph = 3.77
0-100mph = 8.92






For comparison, the benchmark set by revo last week with their Stage 1 remap, intake and sticky rubber ...



This was run this morning with a 10c ambient temp on a flat road (Gradient less than 1%)

Big thumbs up to Andrew at DTUK who shipped the box out to me within 24hrs and answered all my questions.

Car drives great, stock like, smooth but with a lot more punch.
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What's the bhp and torque?
 
Anything under 10s to 100 is mental quick. Well played those that have it.

TX.
 
Should be interesting to see what the S3 can do now the stage 2 tunes are coming out and recording over 390bhp!
 
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